Graduates now 'more likely to end up as cleaners', official figures show

Percy1983

I got NVQs, figured very well for me.

mr_fishbulb

gadgetmind wrote: »

Odd. If you were seeking to employ a juggler, what is perhaps the one thing you might ask them to do during the interview process?

Of course you seek a rounded individual, and someone who can fly high, but most of all you need someone with ninja programming skills, who can make the computer sit up and do tricks.

The majority of our IT grads don't have a computing background. I know people with History, Geography and foreign language degrees who have come on They get taught programming once they're here, but they need to be the right sort of people to get in.

They're usually on a project writing C# with an SQL backend in about 6 months.

Personally I wouldn't say my degree helped me get a better job after uni. I was planning to go travelling so didn't go for any graduate schemes. I did telemarketing and office admin for a while. But nowadays a lot of the jobs I'm looking to move into require a degree. So it may not pay off as soon as you finish uni, but can help get the better jobs down the line.

kabayiri

misskool wrote: »

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I certainly hope that courses aren't shortened (or if they are, they won't be called degrees), if students don't learn enough in 3 years, how will they learn enough in 18 months/2 years?
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There was a wide variation in hours when I was at Uni. My course had 27 hours a week lectures in the first year.

Politics or Botany had 7 hours per week.

Luckily, the politics students must have found a vital source of study material to supplement their learning in the student bars. This is the only explanation I can offer as why they were there

Can you do a degree in 2 years with a few more hours in lectures ? Only one way to find out !

chucknorris

ukcarper wrote: »

I wonder how much work the average university student puts in to get a degree compared with some one doing the same thing without going to university. In my day to get on a degree level course you had to have HNC with endorsements I extra year. The course then consisted of 3 years of 1 day and 1 evening then you had to pass externally set exams.

Nowadays students enter directly into the second year of a degree with an HNC. Given the forthcoming increases in the cost of a degree this route might become a more common.

gadgetmind

mr_fishbulb wrote: »

The majority of our IT grads don't have a computing background. I know people with History, Geography and foreign language degrees who have come on They get taught programming once they're here, but they need to be the right sort of people to get in.

There is a big difference between someone who can be taught basic programming with a managed language and someone who can (say) write key parts of an OS in a mixture of C and assembler while keeping a wary eye on speed, size, race conditions, and much much more.

Horses for courses.

ukcarper

chucknorris wrote: »

Nowadays students enter directly into the second year of a degree with an HNC. Given the forthcoming increases in the cost of a degree this route might become a more common.

When I got my HNC back in the 70s part time degrees were available (1 day and 2 evenings a week for 3 years) I took the council of engineering course instead (1 day and I evening) is that route still available.

ukcarper

kabayiri wrote: »

There was a wide variation in hours when I was at Uni. My course had 27 hours a week lectures in the first year.

Politics or Botany had 7 hours per week.

Luckily, the politics students must have found a vital source of study material to supplement their learning in the student bars. This is the only explanation I can offer as why they were there

Can you do a degree in 2 years with a few more hours in lectures ? Only one way to find out !

My HNC + endorsements consisted of 11 hrs lectures a week for the 3 years the follow up course was the same for another 3 years.

Lokolo

mr_fishbulb wrote: »

The majority of our IT grads don't have a computing background. I know people with History, Geography and foreign language degrees who have come on They get taught programming once they're here, but they need to be the right sort of people to get in.

They're usually on a project writing C# with an SQL backend in about 6 months.

Personally I wouldn't say my degree helped me get a better job after uni. I was planning to go travelling so didn't go for any graduate schemes. I did telemarketing and office admin for a while. But nowadays a lot of the jobs I'm looking to move into require a degree. So it may not pay off as soon as you finish uni, but can help get the better jobs down the line.

How old are you?

My uncle hasn't got a degree but has been a Soft Eng. for YEARS. The only reason I did a degree was so I could get a programming job, as they seem to want people with degrees more than those without nowadays.

chucknorris

ukcarper wrote: »

When I got my HNC back in the 70s part time degrees were available (1 day and 2 evenings a week for 3 years) I took the council of engineering course instead (1 day and I evening) is that route still available.

Yes although the timetable for each year varies slightly, it approximates to:

5 years of 1 day per week with lectures starting at 10am and ending at 8.30pm (it was 9.30pm but changed this year to 8.30pm). Students with an HNC can enter directly onto the 3rd year of the part time degree.

SingleSue

Loughton_Monkey wrote: »

And then there's the "Open University" degree as well, for which my understanding is that you get the degree as a result of watching a few hours of television.

I wish! Try being awake all night studying books, night after night, writing assignments etc and then taking exams whilst also trying to keep down a job, looking after children and so on.