Public Sector wages rising despite pay "freeze"

Andy_L

rochja wrote: »

Pay points and national Government: A civil servant's annual pay rise consists of two elements.1. A predefined increase of a certain number of points to compensate for inflation. 3 traditionally where 1 = 1% 0f gross pay.

Unless you're in parts of the civil service where they do it differently, eg revaluation of the spine to reflect inflation (a, nationally, negotiated %age) and progression up the spine to reflect personal experience/performance

Andy_L

Generali wrote: »

Add on to that 10 sick days a year on average (link) and that's working a 4 day week!!!

From that report
"However, this finding is probably overly simplistic: on a
like for like comparison the public sector has broadly similar recorded rates of absence to
larger private sector firms."

Generali

Andy_L wrote: »

From that report
"However, this finding is probably overly simplistic: on a
like for like comparison the public sector has broadly similar recorded rates of absence to
larger private sector firms."

I don't disagree, although I've yet to work anywhere with an average of anything like 2 weeks off a year.

My point is merely that there is a lot of time off when you add average sick to holidays. Anything else is your interpretation.

MacMickster

I remember seeing something a few years ago arguing that short-term sick leave in the Civil Service is similar to private organisations, but they seem to tolerate more long-term sick leave before taking steps to dismiss staff.

Perversely, the current economic climate probably means that their long-term sick leave will increase. There are recruitment bans in place across most of the public sector so if they dismiss someone then they can't be replaced - better for the organisation to tolerate the absence until the employee returns to health.

Really2

Andy_L wrote: »

From that report
"However, this finding is probably overly simplistic: on a
like for like comparison the public sector has broadly similar recorded rates of absence to
larger private sector firms."

Private sector take off around 6.5 days, so you could say the public sector take off 50% more days off sick.
I would not say 50% more is broadly the same TBH. So absence rate may be around the same the time taken off certainly is not.

Really2

MacMickster wrote: »

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Perversely, the current economic climate probably means that their long-term sick leave will increase. There are recruitment bans in place across most of the public sector so if they dismiss someone then they can't be replaced - better for the organisation to tolerate the absence until the employee returns to health.

Well they can internally, so anyone in a redeployment pool would have the chance of filling an open post. So is it better for the organisation encouraging long term sickness without action?

Andy_L

Really2 wrote: »

Private sector take off around 6.5 days, so you could say the public sector take off 50% more days off sick.
I would not say 50% more is broadly the same TBH. So absence rate may be around the same the time taken off certainly is not.

You missed the bit about "like for like" comparisons eg large private sector firms have worse sick rates than SMEs so when you compare like for like large public sector firms and large public sector organisations the gap closes.

Old_Slaphead

Generali wrote: »

Add on to that 10 sick days a year on average (link) and that's working a 4 day week!!!

Not to mention about another 5 days on 'pointless' (her description) training courses

Really2

Andy_L wrote: »

You missed the bit about "like for like" comparisons eg large private sector firms have worse sick rates than SMEs so when you compare like for like large public sector firms and large public sector organisations the gap closes.

Got the figures to back that up. I would be surprised by that as a PLC etc is more likely to be strict on absence?

The way they present it is lumping in the civil service with all organisations? So although they say it is similar to some large private sector companies they provide no figures?

In all this, we should emphasise that it is widely accepted that recorded
absence will be lower than actual absence, particularly at the self-certificated end of
the spectrum. When prison service absence started to be monitored closely for
example, recorded absence rose.
3.5 The public sector may well under-record by more than the private sector.

mmmm So higher and under recorded.

Andy_L

Really2 wrote: »

Got the figures to back that up. I would be surprised by that as a PLC etc is more likely to be strict on absence?

The way they present it is lumping in the civil service with all organisations? So although they say it is similar to some large private sector companies they provide no figures?

mmmm So higher and under recorded.

read the link that Generalli provided