Public Sector wages rising despite pay "freeze"

heathcote123

Not everyone improves massively with experience. Some people just stay mediocre. Why should I be forced to pay them more?

Percy1983

heathcote123 wrote: »

Not everyone improves massively with experience. Some people just stay mediocre. Why should I be forced to pay them more?

As I said before in the public sector (where I am working at least), the final step on the scale is really what you should get in that kind of job (usually a bit short of the private sector starting salaries I will add).

It is an agreement that when you start you will progress to the top unless you do something wrong.

kabayiri

No easy solutions to this cost increase then ?

I suspect this particular issue will be a hot potato come the next election. If private sector wages flatline / decrease it makes the public sector annual increments look even more at odds.

The whole outsourcing phenomenon was a non-disguised attempt by industry to reduce wage costs. Economic immigration also helps suppress wage demands. The government of the day will be under pressure to do something about it in their own back yard, the public sector.

An unappetising but realistic prospect ?

heathcote123

Percy1983 wrote: »

As I said before in the public sector (where I am working at least), the final step on the scale is really what you should get in that kind of job (usually a bit short of the private sector starting salaries I will add).

It is an agreement that when you start you will progress to the top unless you do something wrong.

Are you suggesting that equivalent jobs in the public sector pay less than the prviate sector?

Really2

Percy1983 wrote: »

As I said before in the public sector (where I am working at least), the final step on the scale is really what you should get in that kind of job (usually a bit short of the private sector starting salaries I will add).

It is an agreement that when you start you will progress to the top unless you do something wrong.

Sorry,

the final increment is not standard pay and everything bellow a saving.

The top of the scales goes to those the most experience, qualifications relevent etc.

So the start of the scale is the standard rate, everything above is awarded on experience training etc.

Your idea those starting on scale one is a saving is pure nonsense, what training etc do they have to do in a year compared to some one at the top scale? is the training free?

People can start on the top of a scale!

Andy_L

Really2 wrote: »

Sorry,

the final increment is not standard pay and everything bellow a saving.

The top of the scales goes to those the most experience, qualifications relevent etc.

So the start of the scale is the standard rate, everything above is awarded on experience training etc.

Your idea those starting on scale one is a saving is pure nonsense, what training etc do they have to do in a year compared to some one at the top scale? is the training free?

People can start on the top of a scale!

Obviously the're biased but the TU's are of the view (and management doesn't appear to publicly disagree) that the top of the scale is the "rate for the job" and should be what an suitibly experienced/qualified/productive employee should get

"The maximum of a grade is the rate for the job and all fully effective staff should be paid that"

http://www.pcs.org.uk/en/resources/pay/

Mallotum_X

Why do all these people give their time for less than its worth when they could walk into a private job for more money? Well done for being so public spirited.

Really2

Andy_L wrote: »

Obviously the're biased but the TU's are of the view (and management doesn't appear to publicly disagree) that the top of the scale is the "rate for the job" and should be what an suitibly experienced/qualified/productive employee should get

"The maximum of a grade is the rate for the job and all fully effective staff should be paid that"

http://www.pcs.org.uk/en/resources/pay/

So that would mean those on lower grade are not experienced/qualified/productive enough so have to be trained, helped and are unproductive?

So in reality you are paying someone less and training them and getting them up to speed. They are not at the same level as those on higher grades. Thus they are likely to cost the same or more.;)

In reality, I can't agree with the TUC stance, jobs have a minimum job spec, obviously that is for the bottom of the tier. If you dont meet that you should not be employed.
So in reality, jobs are aimed a tier 1, but better candidates could get a higher tier.

chewmylegoff

heathcote123 wrote: »

Or it could be that they find it easier to just bill the tax payer & put their feet up, rather than doing work.

possibly, although then why is it outsourced in profit driven organisations as well?

Percy1983

heathcote123 wrote: »

Are you suggesting that equivalent jobs in the public sector pay less than the prviate sector?

I am not going to enter too much into this as I am sure there is some industries on either side but I would guess the overall avergae for public sector is less (I know it is in the profession I work in).

Really2 wrote: »

Sorry,

the final increment is not standard pay and everything bellow a saving.

The top of the scales goes to those the most experience, qualifications relevent etc.

So the start of the scale is the standard rate, everything above is awarded on experience training etc.

Your idea those starting on scale one is a saving is pure nonsense, what training etc do they have to do in a year compared to some one at the top scale? is the training free?

People can start on the top of a scale!

You are talking about the private sector.

Andy_L wrote: »

Obviously the're biased but the TU's are of the view (and management doesn't appear to publicly disagree) that the top of the scale is the "rate for the job" and should be what an suitibly experienced/qualified/productive employee should get

"The maximum of a grade is the rate for the job and all fully effective staff should be paid that"

http://www.pcs.org.uk/en/resources/pay/

As you can see its rather different in the public sector and exactly as I describe.

As I say I have moved up the scale and quite rightly too, it does both me people should think I should lose a good few thousand pounds over the next few years as I started working where i do at the wrong time.