Public Sector wages rising despite pay "freeze"

Percy1983

Really2 wrote: »

We are aware of the current problems and excepted it straight away????

She is totally aware the county is screwed and that either she excepts the things going on or more lose their jobs.

Same here.

I have accepted what is happening, but do think its wrong when people are saying I (and many others) shouldn't have got the bad deal we have now and got an awful one instead.

Really2

Percy1983 wrote: »

So they are 1 year ahead for 5 years on a 3 year scale, does that add up to you?

It adds up because the scale was frozen? in normal time it would have not happened.

Really2

Percy1983 wrote: »

I have accepted what is happening, but do think its wrong when people are saying I (and many others) shouldn't have got the bad deal we have now and got an awful one instead.

I think the public sector has seen no worse a deal than the private sector to be honest. Just that the public sector are use to yearly pay rises, no cuts, no reduced hours etc.

It was over blown before the bust and should have been reigned in before. It has made what is happening now seem worse.

Percy1983

Really2 wrote: »

It adds up because the scale was frozen? in normal time it would have not happened.

Exactly, so you are saying people recruited into thr public section in the year or so before the pay freezes should suffer for longer than there colleagues purely because they started later?

Really2

adouglasmhor wrote: »

But did you accept it as well?

Well I think I am the one more interested in the economy than her so it is more likely my view swayed her.

Good try at a pop though.:D

Percy1983

Really2 wrote: »

I think the public sector has sen no worse a deal than the private sector to be honest.

It was over blown before the bust and should have been reigned in before. It has made what is happening now seem worse.

This seems a very general statement, we where not all overpaid before all this you know.

I do have a friend who works in the council and he told be he was getting a £5k paycut, at first I was shocked but then when I asked what its was from and too I thought it was spot on (didn't tell him that as he wasn't oo happy).

In short he was getting paid more than me for doing a less skilled job, he will now be getting less than me for doing a less skilled job.

Really2

Percy1983 wrote: »

Exactly, so you are saying people recruited into thr public section in the year or so before the pay freezes should suffer for longer than there colleagues purely because they started later?

Do you not see they all suffer the same? you proved it in your example.

Both did not hit the top of their scales until 5 years of service instead of three.

No one suffered more than anyone else.

Mallotum_X

adouglasmhor wrote: »

Public sector is more than state, you are being obtuse to back up your argument in the absence of logic or facts. As for the court workers who are paid from fine income - they put it all in a kitty over the year and spend as needed it's called BUDGETING.

By your logic many private sector salaries are also paid for from the tax budget, do you want me to start listing them as well?

hang on, im being obtuse?, you were the person who listed local authority workers etc as not being part of the state, you made a poor pedantic point badly, get over it.

As for the fines, no they dont put it in a kitty and pay the wages as they go. That has the be the most stupid point you have tried to make. Court fines sometimes go in part to victims of crime, the rest ends up in central government coffers. The courts do not keep the fines to spend on themeselves. By this crazy logic "Budgeting" would mean they have to raise X amount to pay the court staff wages. Sorry, you are simply wrong.

Really2

Percy1983 wrote: »

This seems a very general statement, we where not all overpaid before all this you know.

No one said overpaid? I said the public sector was overblown. EG more spent on it than could be afforded.
That has nothing to do with size of wages and everything to do with massive increases in staffing levels and waste.

StevieJ

Percy1983 wrote: »

Same here.

I have accepted what is happening, but do think its wrong when people are saying I (and many others) shouldn't have got the bad deal we have now and got an awful one instead.

Above all these things need to be seen as fair, any other outcome could see disaffected employees who could cause untold hidden damage within the system.