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irishsymphony wrote: »

As for animals being put in the hold - they're generally drugged with sleeping tablets. I'd be surprised at airlines putting fully concious animals in there for long flights?! But could be wrong -I've never flown with animals myself. I know flights between Ireland / England / Wales though, they're drugged - and they're real shorties, so would imagine definite for longer? Thus no distress if drugged.

Complete and absolute twaddle! Please don’t give out misleading information that you obviously no nothing about

DEFRA, Airlines, vets and pet carrier companies strongly suggest you do not drug your pet. Especially if your pet hasn't had any types of drugs before - you don't know how they will react. We have many friends who have transported animals to Australia and UK and by and large they are absolutely fine without sedation. You have specially made two tier crates for them so if they soil the crate they're not standing in mess. They sleep, eat and use a straw area for the toilet.

It is absolutely not recommended to sedate your pet. (unless for extraordinary circumstances as advised by your vet.

The pet may wake up in the hold if not sedated properly for the duration of the trip, and that would be very stressful.

Sedation dehydrates pets.

Sedation at a vet’s is a complicated procedure based on weight and muscle mass- it takes more sedation to keep a greyhound still compared to a Poodle of the same weight- and during sedation for operations pets are monitored for the process. Add pressure to the equation and it’s almost impossible to work out the right dose.There are some homeopathic sprays that can be used in crates to calm the animals, but the client should check with their vet to be supplied with one- the pet may not like the smell and it should be tested on the pet prior to travel in case of any side effects.

oh and read this http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-pets/pets/travel/pets/pet-owners/
Defra http://www.defra.gov.uk/publications/files/pb13586-animal-welfare-carrier-advice-110617.pdf

Airlines say
Carriers should, when necessary, refuse shipment of pet animals in circumstances where they are unable to provide suitable conditions for safeguarding animal welfare throughout the journey. Carriers may also refuse shipment if the animal appears not to be fit to travel

irishsymphony

GoldenJill wrote: »

Complete and absolute twaddle! Please don’t give out misleading information that you obviously no nothing about

As I said, I haven't flown with animals long distance myself so I don't know - stated that pretty clearly.

I have, however, had family members fly kittens from London to Republic of Ireland, who had to have them drugged before putting them in the hold, and my sisters' family who bought their pup in Wales last October were told if they wanted to fly him from Wales to (again) Republic of Ireland, would have to drug him - they decided against this, and drove over to collect him.

So yes, short term flights between the places I stated, they do drug the animals

vl2588

Cannot believe a vet would give out sedation drugs for use without supervision :eek: - contrary to popular belief 'sleeping pills' for animals aren't all lovely and safe etc. or even pleasant for the animal!

Pollycat

irishsymphony wrote: »

As I said, I haven't flown with animals long distance myself so I don't know - stated that pretty clearly.

I have, however, had family members fly kittens from London to Republic of Ireland, who had to have them drugged before putting them in the hold, and my sisters' family who bought their pup in Wales last October were told if they wanted to fly him from Wales to (again) Republic of Ireland, would have to drug him - they decided against this, and drove over to collect him.

So yes, short term flights between the places I stated, they do drug the animals

Just curious - are you saying that it is a prerequisite of the carrier that your family used that animals are drugged before being allowed to travel?

Is your family's experience that of one carrier or a number of different ones?

I just happened to look on Monarch's website about transportation of live animals and it said that:

The carriage of ALL pets shall be conducted in accordance with the current 'Carriage of Animals' regulations, as published by IATA, and the Pet Passport Scheme requirements as required and published by DEFRA.

IATA say:

It has been a long standing practice of IATA and its constituent carriers to discourage the use of sedatives and tranquilizers in animals to be transported either as cargo or as cabin baggage due to the potential for adverse effects during transport. This view is endorsed by veterinary organizations such as the American Veterinary Medical Association.

Full link below:

http://www.iata.org/whatwedo/cargo/live_animals/Pages/sedation.aspx

Another interesting paragraph in the link - did a 'trained individual' accompany these kittens?

IATA therefore continues to endorse recommendations not to sedate or tranquilize pets or other animals in transit specifically for the purposes of potentially preventing panic attacks or destructive behavior during that period of carriage. If sedation or tranquilization is to be done specifically for the journey for valid medical reasons, it needs to be done under the direction of a veterinarian and the administration of drugs - including time and dosage level- be noted on the health certificate. If such medications are to be used, this should be done only in those shipments accompanied by trained individuals appropriately certified/licensed to administer these drugs and when the ability to take emergency actions in the event of adverse events, exists or is possible

I would be very unhappy after reading that if any carrier would insist on animals being drugged as a matter of course rather than as a vet-endorsed necessity.

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irishsymphony wrote: »

As I said, I haven't flown with animals long distance myself so I don't know - stated that pretty clearly.

I have, however, had family members fly kittens from London to Republic of Ireland, who had to have them drugged before putting them in the hold, and my sisters' family who bought their pup in Wales last October were told if they wanted to fly him from Wales to (again) Republic of Ireland, would have to drug him - they decided against this, and drove over to collect him.

So yes, short term flights between the places I stated, they do drug the animals

Yes, you point out that you haven't travelled you say your family members have done so but you ignore the part where you state pretty clearly "be surprised at airlines putting fully concious animals in there for long flights?! I know flights between Ireland / England / Wales though, they're drugged - and they're real shorties, so would imagine definite for longer? Thus no distress if drugged. "

you only know of your family's experience - therefore you have no idea about all pet arline carriers who fly between England/Ireland/Wales and the percentage of pets sedated/unsedated. And you state pretty clearly "say no distress if drugged" - absolute and utter twaddle, I stand by that. Did you read the links I gave you? It can cause no end of distress.

Read all the info I have given plus Pollycat's info. I agree - which airline gave the information to your family that they must drug their pet? Absolute ridulous twaddle x 2. No airline in their right mind would do this, your family is clearly telling porkies to you here or misunderstood what the airline said.

Please no-one take irishsymphony's 'drugged = no distress" and 'I know flights' as spoken word. Read the official links that Pollycat and I have given and please take the utter most care of your pets when considering flying. Please Take all professional advice at all times.

Pollycat - many people take their pet's lives into their own hands by sedating / drugging their animal without professional advice and guidance and completely ignore any official literature from airlines. This is extremly dangerous and can have long lasting effects on your pet. Usually to 'save' a bit of money - what money is worth a loved pet's life?

Those who are thinking of sedating pets - if you weren't a doctor, would you perform any type of medical procedure on anyone because 'you thought it was right' of course not! So don't do it with your pet.

Miiri

Remember watching the guy in the Animal Centre at Heathrow Airport a few years ago and they would hold back any animals that had been sedated and send them on the next day awake. They were more at risk of death if drugged out or unconcious.

A friend of mine took her cats from Canada in to the US (about 12 hours in total with 3 changes!)- I think they were given a very minor tranq to take the edge off with vet supervision, but were fully awake throughout and arrived safe and well!

irishsymphony

Yes - as per my past experience, I would have been surprised at flight airlines putting pets in the hold undrugged - and also said I would imagine - never did I say that my words were the spoken for all airlines - but rather (I thought) worded it as my experiences and/or opinions. Apologies for the confusion - it was never my intention to rile others, or provide wrong factual information - I tend to stay neutral on forums, so genuine apologies for that.

In relation to the two kittens flown to London, they were drugged in the vets' before flying, and no - no animal trained people were bringing them from one place to another, just their new owners. This was approx ten years ago, although as the pups' owners were told just last October that he'd have to be drugged to be flown to them, - and I don't know what airline that would have been as they didn't choose that option, - then it just seemed same to me. Apologies, again.

I also never intented to insinuate that owners themselves would sedate the animals - though granted I realise I never mentioned veterinary care - I didn't realise it would be questioned. I can edit (or request deletion) of my original post if you like, so none follow it

Pollycat

Irishsymphony
I notice you are a fairly new member.

As you post more, you'll find that you will 'be questioned' a lot on here, even if you say tomorrow is Tuesday there may be some smart-!!! who pops up and disagrees.
And if you ever venture onto The Arms or Discussion Time boards, you may find you need a tin hat and a parapet to hide behind.

I appreciate that you were giving your understanding of your family's experiences with flying animals.

It would probably have been very helpful if, in your 1st & 2nd posts, you'd said that the drugging happened 10 years ago and was done by a vet.

Things do move on and maybe it was the case at the time but current recommendation is obviously quite the reverse nowadays.

I also noticed that you use the current tense:

irishsymphony wrote: »

As for animals being put in the hold - they're generally drugged with sleeping tablets. I'd be surprised at airlines putting fully concious animals in there for long flights?! But could be wrong -I've never flown with animals myself. I know flights between Ireland / England / Wales though, they're drugged - and they're real shorties, so would imagine definite for longer? Thus no distress if drugged.

irishsymphony wrote: »

So yes, short term flights between the places I stated, they do drug the animals

which did give the impression that you were talking about a current (or at least very recent) incident.

I don't think it would do any good to ask for the post to be removed (you could actually just go into 'Edit' and remove the text yourself) as your post has been quoted in another and that would not be removed.

I'd just put it down to experience and carry on posting on whatever thread takes your fancy, keeping my well-meant and friendly advice in mind.

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Pollycat wrote: »

As you post more, you'll find that you will 'be questioned' a lot on here, even if you say tomorrow is Tuesday there may be some smart-!!! who pops up and disagrees.

Hope you don't mean me Polly! I'm just trying to help those who might have read IS's post and thought ok, airlines say we must do this and it's seems easy enough.... imagine if they had followed that advice and harm had come to their beloved pet. Might have come across as strong, however, needed people to sit up and read it, rather than just skim through.

IS not sure if you've had much experience posting on forums? Everyone makes mistakes at the start, and in fact many over and over again :rotfl: just follow my and Polly's advice and you'll be OK. Remember that although people aren't supposed to take medical (or veterinary) advice on here, it transpires lots of people do and not always to great endings. I understand you were trying to just give your experience across, just for your next post think about the wording. Have fun.

Pollycat

GoldenJill wrote: »

Hope you don't mean me Polly! I'm just trying to help those who might have read IS's post and thought ok, airlines say we must do this and it's seems easy enough.... imagine if they had followed that advice and harm had come to their beloved pet. Might have come across as strong, however, needed people to sit up and read it, rather than just skim through.

IS not sure if you've had much experience posting on forums? Everyone makes mistakes at the start, and in fact many over and over again :rotfl: just follow my and Polly's advice and you'll be OK. Remember that although people aren't supposed to take medical (or veterinary) advice on here, it transpires lots of people do and not always to great endings. I understand you were trying to just give your experience across, just for your next post think about the wording. Have fun.

No, certainly not, GoldenJil.
I'm mortified that you should think that.

I did agree with your posts, I'm pretty anal when it comes to reading about things that pique my curiosity and then following then up for my own interest.
I can google for hours and then wonder how the hell I'm reading about monkeys in Indonesia when I started off looking into holidays in Spain. :rotfl:

I really meant generally on here as well as a lot of other forums.
Some people do nit-pick for no apparent reason, others argue black is white.

Irishsymphony said she didn't expect to be questioned about what she wrote and I just wanted to warn her that she might encounter lots of people who would question her views and opinions - whether they were right or wrong.

In this instance she was wrong (as her experience was 2nd hand and 10 year old) and you were right to point it out.

Hope you're not upset or offended by the last few posts, Irishsymphony.