Is this fair, Or is my OH being take for a ride?

miss_duke

Does he get pay slips? And p60's? I am hoping the employer is paying his tax and NI!

juliettelixora

Humphrey10 wrote: »

Yes they were - the poster I quoted said "This is a family matter and should be sorted within the family or left alone in my view."
Saying it would be ok to leave the matter alone is allowing the illegal behaviour to continue, surely?

If a member of my family was treating someone illegally eg not paying them minimum wage, illegally docking wages, or whatever, or if I found out they condoned this sort of activity, I would report them ASAP and avoid further contact with them - they would be clearly scum and not worth wasting further time on.

its more than just a scam its like having people or treating people like slaves.

liney

You mentioned other workers. I assume the boss remembers the NMW when he pays them, or is he equally Dickensian toward them?

This is a page which details Statutory Employment Rights, ie those that everyone is entitled to. It may help you make an informed approach.
http://www.citizensadvice.co.uk/PageFiles/2293/Statutory%20Employment%20Rights.pdf

At the very least it quotes the National Minimum Wage, and entitlement to paid Holidays, plus other should knows.

Confused_one

Thank you for all the replies!

We are sure that tax & NI is paid, However he doesn't get wage slips nor P60's. He always has to request them, Which he still never gets.

Also, Just to add, My partner often works with heavy machinery & often on building sites. He is not sure if he is insured or even contracted. Would he have to sign any insurance documents ect.??

Because the one thing he is sure is that he has never signed anything!

Once again, I just wanted to say thanks for all the sound advice!

Mistral001

Confused_one wrote: »

Thank you for all the replies!

We are sure that tax & NI is paid, However he doesn't get wage slips nor P60's. He always has to request them, Which he still never gets.

Also, Just to add, My partner often works with heavy machinery & often on building sites. He is not sure if he is insured or even contracted. Would he have to sign any insurance documents ect.??

Because the one thing he is sure is that he has never signed anything!

Once again, I just wanted to say thanks for all the sound advice!

No he would not have to sign anything for insurance as far as I know. The employers should have an insurance certificate displayed for all employees to see. Most employers will not forget to display it as it costs quite a bit of money to get employer's insurance and of course it is the law to get it and to display.

Maybe its time for your OH to put things on a more formal basis. You are concerned about his welfare if something would happen to him while at work. Perhaps approach the family member boss and put it to him/her in those terms. ie. "I am concerned about what would happen to us if my OH had an accident, is he insured with you or does he have to become self-employed and take out separate insurance himself" etc. If they say he is insured then ask for proof and study the document carefully.

Reverbe

Mistral001 wrote: »

Good idea. better than reporting partners brother to authorities or taking him to court as others on this thread have suggested.

do you advocate that the employer should get away with lawbreaking then??

I"m also pretty sure that its a reqirement to provide wage slips etc..

CFC

Humphrey10 wrote: »

Yes they were - the poster I quoted said "This is a family matter and should be sorted within the family or left alone in my view."
Saying it would be ok to leave the matter alone is allowing the illegal behaviour to continue, surely?

If a member of my family was treating someone illegally eg not paying them minimum wage, illegally docking wages, or whatever, or if I found out they condoned this sort of activity, I would report them ASAP and avoid further contact with them - they would be clearly scum and not worth wasting further time on.

That's fine. It's your view that you would cut that family member out of your life and not care about any resulting family feud, it's Mistral's view that family relationships are important and feuds are to be avoided.

Never think that the reporter will not be found out even if anonymous tips are given.

At the end of the day it depends where the OP and her bloke are situated on that continuum.

kingfisherblue

Confused_one wrote: »

Hi,

I’m just hoping for some info where we stand.


My OH works for a family member of his, He has done so for over 8 years.

Slowly everything seems to be changing a lot, Leaving my OH continuously out of pocket.

The excuse we keep getting is, it’s a small business with just me (Employer) & you (My OH) what more do you want.?


My OH is on various hours. Nothing contracted.

He is being paid £5.65 PH , He’s about to turn 24.

He is very experienced in his role, Although he has no qualifications within the role.

OH does not get paid for the first hour of travel to work, The same on return.

He is provided with NO safety wear, Although he needs it for nearly every job.

He gets no breaks & if he ask to have a break for lunch, He gets 10 minutes but 1 hour wage deducted.

OH is asked to work away, Sometimes for a week at a time, Often working nights, But is still paid the same £5.65. (Normal shift for working away is 13 hours a day)

He has 4 weeks paid holiday, But is forced to take 3 days off at Christmas, The rest he HAS to take off when his employer jets off on family holidays aboard every 3 months. If he has no holidays left, He HAS no choice but to take these time off unpaid.


OH has asked to be put on 2 course’s, Which would benefit his employer, 1 course was free, The other was £89. It was night classes, Other then 1 day! & his employer told him to **** off!


OH is told to wear selected work wear, Which we cant afford, So he is now the butt of every joke thanks to his employer egging others to take the Mick.


My OH loves his job & is terrified that if he, Or me say anything he will get the sack (Has been told that in the past).

He’s also worried, that should he leave we wouldn’t be entitled to any help with the job centre.


Can someone please tell me if this is the normal practise for small business, Or is my partner being taken for a ride? If he is what can we do about it.

His employer is the type of person who cant be spoken too!

What others, if he is the only employee?

kingfisherblue

Googlewhacker wrote: »

what min wage was around 30 years ago?

Yes, minimum wage was around then. I started work 24 years ago and it was £1.17 an hour at the time. I can't remember when NMW was removed, but when it was introduced a few years ago, it wasn't a new idea.

dark_lady

kingfisherblue wrote: »

Yes, minimum wage was around then. I started work 24 years ago and it was £1.17 an hour at the time. I can't remember when NMW was removed, but when it was introduced a few years ago, it wasn't a new idea.

Minimum wage was removed sometime around 1993 (i was 20 then) i remember cos there was a big article about it in More magazine. (this was when it was a mag which was aimed at issues involving young women and quite an intelligent read, not the celebrity rag it is today.) They interviewed someone from the Low Pay Unit. (i think her name was Bharti Patel and she said that it meant employers would start paying poverty pay.
Lo and behold within a year i was being offered jobs that were paying 50p an hour and office jobs paying £50 a week.