Council evictions begin

StevieJ

olly300 wrote: »

While it may be wrong to you on all sorts of levels Wandsworth council already evict families where their children threaten, abuse and harass the neighbours even if they aren't convicted.

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That is fine (and I agree with that, after a warning) , out of interest would they evict if, say, a child had a serious motoring offence or drug problem?

olly300

StevieJ wrote: »

That is fine (and I agree with that, after a warning) , out of interest would they evict if, say, a child had a serious motoring offence or drug problem?

I don't know.

When I was told I was informed that other neighbours had reported the kids for anti-social behaviour but it was when one of them threaten the girl they got evicted.

julieq

Graham, the rioters self evidently stopped rioting. Why do you think that was exactly?

But OK, let's take this to the end point and say we've just evicted say 500 families in London and they are now having to live on the streets without benefits. Do you think that makes the streets of London more or less dangerous? When the cold weather hits and some of them die, does that mean that it's justified because one of their family took an LCD TV and that it's now acceptable to kill people because they've scared us?

Incidentally I'm not saying that some families shouldn't be evicted in some circumstances, and habitual antisocial behaviour genuinely blights places other people live in council estates or anywhere else. But not as a knee jerk reaction to rioting please.

As I said, we want this not because it's right, and it's not justice. It's because we were scared and we want to crush the people who scared us. Understand that before demanding particular action.

System

tomterm8 wrote: »

A parent is not responsible for the actions of an 18 year old. Adults are responsible for their own actions.

When I was 18 I wouldn't have dreamt of smashing in some windows and stealing things, because I was brought up properly.

olly300

Joeskeppi wrote: »

When I was 18 I wouldn't have dreamt of smashing in some windows and stealing things, because I was brought up properly.

I asked my 16 year nephew why he didn't get involved. I got a very dirty look before he laughed and said "you are joking aren't you?".

tomterm8

Joeskeppi wrote: »

When I was 18 I wouldn't have dreamt of smashing in some windows and stealing things, because I was brought up properly.

Very many people who are brought up properly, even by vicars, commit crime. Very many people who are brought up badly do not commit crime.

An adult is the sole person responsible for his or her actions.

No excuses.

If this kid is guilty, he should be punished.

olly300

julieq wrote: »

Graham, the rioters self evidently stopped rioting. Why do you think that was exactly?

But OK, let's take this to the end point and say we've just evicted say 500 families in London and they are now having to live on the streets without benefits. Do you think that makes the streets of London more or less dangerous? When the cold weather hits and some of them die, does that mean that it's justified because one of their family took an LCD TV and that it's now acceptable to kill people because they've scared us?

Incidentally I'm not saying that some families shouldn't be evicted in some circumstances, and habitual antisocial behaviour genuinely blights places other people live in council estates or anywhere else. But not as a knee jerk reaction to rioting please.

As I said, we want this not because it's right, and it's not justice. It's because we were scared and we want to crush the people who scared us. Understand that before demanding particular action.

I suspect the families have done other things as well and this now makes it very easy for the council to evict them.

ukcarper

I’m not sure there would be much of a cost, as they would move someone into flat that presumably was already on the list and in more expensive accommodation.

Saying that I’m not sure evicting them is the right answer perhaps they could place an order on them saying that they would be evicted if they misbehaved again.

Jennifer_Jane

It seems that CURRENTLY, you could be evicted for the anti-social behaviour in your own area. This is being considered for not just your own area. It still has to go to County Court, etc. This was part of the response to the e-Petition:

"Prisoners convicted of a criminal offence and detained in prison are not entitled to social security benefits. That means that anyone who is eligible for social security benefits and who is caught, convicted and imprisoned for any offence committed during the recent disorder that has disrupted London and other UK cities will be disqualified from receiving social security payments. The Department for Work and Pensions is also looking at whether further sanctions can be imposed on the benefit entitlements of individuals who receive non custodial sentences. In addition the Department is considering increasing the level of fines which can be deducted from benefit entitlement.

In relation to social housing, it is already a ground for eviction if a tenant or a member of their family is involved in anti-social behaviour or criminal activity in their local neighbourhood. Ministers have encouraged social landlords to use these powers, and a number of local authorities have pledged to do so. The Department for Communities and Local Government is consulting on proposals to allow such evictions to take place where the criminal activity takes place outside the vicinity of the local neighbourhood; more information is available to view here:http://www.communities.gov.uk/statem...publicdisorder."

So currently a murderer or rapist could be evicted, it seems to me, it's not just for looters. I believe Manchester are considering it too.

She should have brought him up better. I feel for the little girl. What a family.

julieq

olly300 wrote: »

I suspect the families have done other things as well and this now makes it very easy for the council to evict them.

You suspect on what basis? Knowledge or prejudice?

Anyway if the rioting is being used as a pretext to rid estates of undesirables, it's just as well it happened I guess?