Employer wont clamp down on smoking law. Next step?

miss_duke

I would be fuming at this too, especially as I am pregnant. It really is unacceptable. I agree with you though that it would be very hard to prove, I don't really see how you can :-(

Sorry, but I don't really see why you reported the car tax, I honestly don't believe non-payers puts the price up! So it was doing you no harm!

browneyedbazzi

ILW wrote: »

A "smoke free inspector" !!!!!!. Nice to see our taxes are being used wisely.

Jarndyce wrote: »

Yes that would be hilarious, if there was any such thing. Do you read the Daily Mail by any chance?

Enforcement of the anti-smoking legislation is part of the remit of the food safety inspectors (yes, environmental health officers - the one's who give food establishments the five star ratings) when they are doing their regular inspections.

A complain - especially from a member of staff - should trigger a visit.

Local authorities have many different set-ups in terms of who deals with smoke free legislation. Some do have a dedicated officer who just does smoke free inspections and investigations, at others it will be within the remit of food safety or others in environmental health (where I work it is one dedicated part time officer).

It sounds like there are several employees where OP works so they will be due an inspection at some point anyway so a complaint would just push them to the top of the list...if you ask, the inspector may be willing to not mention that there has been a specific complaint whilst still being very thorough in their inspection and ensuring that the management are well aware they are being looked at.

miss_duke

browneyedbazzi wrote: »

Local authorities have many different set-ups in terms of who deals with smoke free legislation. Some do have a dedicated officer who just does smoke free inspections and investigations, at others it will be within the remit of food safety or others in environmental health (where I work it is one dedicated part time officer).

It sounds like there are several employees where OP works so they will be due an inspection at some point anyway so a complaint would just push them to the top of the list...if you ask, the inspector may be willing to not mention that there has been a specific complaint whilst still being very thorough in their inspection and ensuring that the management are well aware they are being looked at.

This sounds like very good advice!

Bev._2

miss_duke wrote: »

Sorry, but I don't really see why you reported the car tax, I honestly don't believe non-payers puts the price up! So it was doing you no harm!

Why should this guy get away with it when the rest of us pay up? All because he can't be bothered to do it (or couldn't rather).

And do you REALLY believe that things like this don't affect insurance prices? I admit i have no proof, but i don't believe it for a second. People who don't pay tax, people who don't pay insurance, so on and so forth - the insurance companies will use any excuse they can get their mits on to bump the prices.

But anyway, that's a side issue. Some will agree with me, others will think i should've left it. I did what i thought was right & still think i was right.



I've not long reported a smoking incident, so i'll leave off for a while yet before sending it higher. See what happens then.

GavB79

miss_duke wrote: »

Sorry, but I don't really see why you reported the car tax, I honestly don't believe non-payers puts the price up! So it was doing you no harm!

Maybe he doesn't get his tax because he hasn't got insurance. See how little harm it does when that uninsured driver ploughs into your child in five years time when he steps into the road.
Bit dramatic perhaps, but you have to see how naive you are being

scheming_gypsy

GavB79 wrote: »

Maybe he doesn't get his tax because he hasn't got insurance. See how little harm it does when that uninsured driver ploughs into your child in five years time when he steps into the road.
Bit dramatic perhaps, but you have to see how naive you are being

as naive as thinking being insured will make any difference when your kid has been ploughed into?

miss_duke

GavB79 wrote: »

Maybe he doesn't get his tax because he hasn't got insurance. See how little harm it does when that uninsured driver ploughs into your child in five years time when he steps into the road.
Bit dramatic perhaps, but you have to see how naive you are being

What a horrible thing to say, and no I wouldn't be asking them for insurance documentation, what a weird example!

miss_duke

Bev. wrote: »

Why should this guy get away with it when the rest of us pay up? All because he can't be bothered to do it (or couldn't rather).

And do you REALLY believe that things like this don't affect insurance prices? I admit i have no proof, but i don't believe it for a second. People who don't pay tax, people who don't pay insurance, so on and so forth - the insurance companies will use any excuse they can get their mits on to bump the prices.

But anyway, that's a side issue. Some will agree with me, others will think i should've left it. I did what i thought was right & still think i was right.



I've not long reported a smoking incident, so i'll leave off for a while yet before sending it higher. See what happens then.

It just feels like you are almost looking for things to complain about: you getting hit by a car, other peoples car tax and smoking.

Mistral001

The OP should, in my view take a back seat for a while with regard to the smoking issue, and let others complain to the management about it. Others are bound to complain at sometime in the future and will thus support her stance on the matter.

Bev._2

scheming_gypsy wrote: »

as naive as thinking being insured will make any difference when your kid has been ploughed into?

But at least the driver would've had a right to be on the road.
Yes it doesn't change the fact that in the example the kid will still have been driven into, which is a sad situation in itself, but the driver would've had a right to be on the road.

Untaxed &/or uninsured, the driver has NO right to be on the road. What's the first thing that folk start saying when an untaxed/uninsured driver hits someone?

They shouldn't be driving - they have no documents!

If they have their proper papers (& assuming the driver is driving carelessley as i'm sure you all automatically imagined, instead of a child larking about & not looking where they're going & stepping out giving the driver no chance (which is also possible)) then the complaint from these same people will be focussed totally on the careless driving & not the lack of papers.

It's not a strange example at all. The point Gav was making if this is thought strange has clearly either been A) missed or ignored.

miss_duke wrote: »

It just feels like you are almost looking for things to complain about: you getting hit by a car, other peoples car tax and smoking.

Actually, this post shows you have not read fully my posts.

The car incident was not me complaining about it, unlike what many other members seemed to try and turn it into. It was about me asking "what if". I was looking for information.

Other peoples car tax - the guy deserved to be reported. Let's take it to the silly extreme to make the point:

You're saying that i shouldn't have reported it as it's basically doing me no harm (ignoring that this behaviour pushes folks insurance up, which is harming my pocket, but we'll continue...)
... so i walk past 4 people. 3 lads turning another lad over, damn near beating him to death.

But hey, they're doing ME no harm right? Let's just carry on walking by....

As i say, silly extremes, but i'm sure you get my point.

I don't doubt you still wont agree & will likely counter my point which i'm not particularly bothered about.

ATEOTD though, we basically just disagree. I agree with folk should abide by the law, and you, well, don't seem to.

As for the smoking? Damn right i'm complaining.
Oh i'm sorry, my health is at risk, but i'll just sit here taking it all in. I'll die of cancer, linked to smoking, yet i've never taken a single drag, but at least i never complained right.

Unreal

Mistral001 wrote: »

The OP should, in my view take a back seat for a while with regard to the smoking issue, and let others complain to the management about it. Others are bound to complain at sometime in the future and will thus support her stance on the matter.

I agree with your stepping back, which is what i'm going to do, but you're wrong about other people will eventually complain.
In the 5 years since the ban has been in place, only 1 person has complained - me.

Most people at the workplace either smoke, or don't smoke but don't mind it. The department i'm in are mainly smokers or social smokers.

Personally, i've had a strong dislike for it for as long as i can remember. I can't stand the smell of it to the point where it makes me feel physically sick & i struggle breathing when the smoke is about.

Most people aren't like that, which is probably why they don't particularly care.