e-petition against use of ATOS

newleaf

I had a look to see if this has already been posted, but I don't see it anywhere. The link was sent to me by a friend. Please sign if you share this view, thanks.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/1191

[Deleted User]

part of the wording on this petition is to personal and not general enough,i would suggest that even if a million people signed it nothing would happen as the govt has a long term contract with atos

lyndac40

I would sign but not to keen about giving my address or email address says you have to so wont be signing sorry xxx

Torry_Quine

lyndac40 wrote: »

I would sign but not to keen about giving my address or email address says you have to so wont be signing sorry xxx

I have to agree with you on this

rogerblack

While I somewhat agree with the petition, the problem isn't ATOS!

The problem is that the regulations _are_ tick-box - and whoever implements them will have the same issues.

2. Standing and sitting.
a. Cannot move between one seated position and another seated position located next to one another without receiving physical assistance from another person. (15 points)
b. Cannot for the majority of the time remain at a workstation, either:
i) standing unassisted
ii) Sitting (even in an adjustable chair) for more than 30 minutes before needing to move away in order to avoid significant discomfort or exhaustion.

(9 points)

These sorts of criteria are the very essence of tick-boxes, and going from ATOS to another body, paid or not will not fix this.
The only way to truly fix ESA (or UC or ...) is to get away from all these tick-boxes.

Some form of into-work assistance that did not discriminate against people on the grounds of their disability, or risk them losing their benefits if they try to work.

A component for increased daily living expenses.

Start out with an assessment of the person as a whole - the ESA50 isn't a truly terrible starting point.

Then an interview for everyone a week or so after the form is received - unless this would make their condition worse.

This would lead on to a process where an assessment was made of the person, their skills, and the job market.

If you can't get out of bed all day, but are otherwise competent - there are any number of jobs you could do in theory - if attendance at an office weren't mandatory.

The problem with the existing maze of sorting people into 'can work' and 'can't work' isn't so much that sorting - it's the lack of help for those on the actual margins of ability, in real life.

The work capacity assessment paints a rosy picture of the workplace, where someone who can learn to put washing away after running a washing machine, who gets lost on the way to work once a week, and who can't really understand what strangers are saying other than the simplest messages, is fully fit for work.

I'd have no problem with this at all - if combined with finding them fit for work, they also had to find them suitable work.

Anubis_2

rogerblack wrote: »

While I somewhat agree with the petition, the problem isn't ATOS!

http://blacktrianglecampaign.org/2011/08/06/debbie-carr-atos-hcp-thinks-clients/

lyndac40

I agree totally with you. I would love to go back to work. At the moment i cant stand for any length of time I cant sit for any length of time so what kind of job could they find for me to do. I cant even think of any kind of job i would be able to do at the moment. xxxx


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I'd have no problem with this at all - if combined with finding them fit for work, they also had to find them suitable work.[/QUOTE]

rogerblack

Anubis wrote: »

http://blacktrianglecampaign.org/2011/08/06/debbie-carr-atos-hcp-thinks-clients/

So?
Her comments are unfortunate, and unprofessional.

Is this sort of comment widespread around the office and condoned by managers?
Or is it something that would not be approved of by 'the culture'.

Is there an effective review process of decisions, and sufficient benchmarking to make sure she's not failing a disproportionate number of people?

ATOS, or people making profit in the sector isn't the problem.

The 'Maureen' stereotype lampooned in comedy has basis in fact, all the way back to the workhouses and beyond.

The problem is how to free up the people at the sharp end, so they can make sensible decisions about peoples health, while providing them some regulatory guidance to ensure consistency throughout the country.
Needless to say, this is hard.

Anubis_2

rogerblack wrote: »

While I somewhat agree with the petition, the problem isn't ATOS!

The problem is that the regulations _are_ tick-box - and whoever implements them will have the same issues..

But Atos introduced the ‘Logic Integrated Medical Assessment’ (LiMA) software, so the problem is with Atos....

The programme was introduced by DWP’s contractor Atos Origin in 2005.

newleaf

lyndac40 wrote: »

I would sign but not to keen about giving my address or email address says you have to so wont be signing sorry xxx

Torry_Quine wrote: »

I have to agree with you on this

It's because it's a petition to the Government, they have to be able to verify that you are a genuine signatory - otherwise people could sign it multiple times with bogus names to inflate the number of signatories. The email address is needed to receive the email with a link to click to confirm your signature, if you don't confirm by clicking the link your signature doesn't count.

lyndac40

Right ive got that they would need your email address but why also your home address xxxx