Boiler Quote for east London 1 bed flat

vivvov

Hello All

I got my first quote for a replacement Combi Boiler (Vailant Ecotec 24).
The lookstimate is as folows (lookstimate due to no proper survey,no flow or pressure check etc).
Work:
1. Drain system
2. Remove and dispose of old boiler
3. Make good external brickwork
4. Remove and dispose of feed/expansion tank and cylinder
5. Remove and dispose of cold water storage tank
6. Treat central heating water
7. Flush entire central heating system
8. Reconfigure pipework to convert system
9. Reconnect capped gas pipework to gas supply
10. Install & commission new boiler
11. Install new wireless programmable room thermostat
12. Install new thermostatic and lockshield radiator valves to radiators
13. Install new magnitie filter and scale reducer
14. Treat central heating water

• Complete necessary paperwork for validation of warranty
• Notify Building Control of installation

Labour cost = £1656

(Materials)

• Boiler and Flue
• Scale reducer
• Magnitite filter
• Wireless room thermostat
• Thermostatic radiator valves
• System sludge remover
• System cleaners
• System scale / corrosion inhibitor
• Copper pipe, various fittings and earth clamps

Materials cost = £1725

TOTAL COST = £3381 (Fixed price)

£3300+ !!!!!!!!!!!!!! it must have gold parts not stainless!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

that or I def have entered the "London Price Triangle"..relocated from Bermuda and taking money not ships.

Had me and the OH laughing hard:rotfl:.

Vivvov

vivvov

Actually..should clarify..not replacement like for like...new combi replacing old boiler and indirect feed system.

Is this Quote fair?!!!!!!!

Canucklehead

vivvov wrote: »

Hello All

I got my first quote for a replacement Combi Boiler (Vailant Ecotec 24).
The lookstimate is as folows (lookstimate due to no proper survey,no flow or pressure check etc).
Work:
1. Drain system
2. Remove and dispose of old boiler
3. Make good external brickwork
4. Remove and dispose of feed/expansion tank and cylinder
5. Remove and dispose of cold water storage tank
6. Treat central heating water
7. Flush entire central heating system
8. Reconfigure pipework to convert system
9. Reconnect capped gas pipework to gas supply
10. Install & commission new boiler
11. Install new wireless programmable room thermostat
12. Install new thermostatic and lockshield radiator valves to radiators
13. Install new magnitie filter and scale reducer
14. Treat central heating water

• Complete necessary paperwork for validation of warranty
• Notify Building Control of installation

Labour cost = £1656

(Materials)

• Boiler and Flue
• Scale reducer
• Magnitite filter
• Wireless room thermostat
• Thermostatic radiator valves
• System sludge remover
• System cleaners
• System scale / corrosion inhibitor
• Copper pipe, various fittings and earth clamps

Materials cost = £1725

TOTAL COST = £3381 (Fixed price)

£3300+ !!!!!!!!!!!!!! it must have gold parts not stainless!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

that or I def have entered the "London Price Triangle"..relocated from Bermuda and taking money not ships.

Had me and the OH laughing hard:rotfl:.

Vivvov

Hi..which EcoTEC.. the Pro or the Plus? Is this RGI VAT registered? Brand of magnetic filter, TRVs, Programmer, power or chemical flush? And no site survey?

Conversion to a sealed system is a labour intensive job.

HTH

Canucklehead

Leif

You are in London, but from where I am sitting (East Hants) that is expensive. Remove old boiler, remove old hot water tank, install Worcestor Bosch 30 CDI, I paid £2700 inc.

vivvov

Hello There

As follows:
Boiler type: Ecotec pro 24.............£630 ex VAT..plus free inline descaler thrown in
Tradesman is RGI VAT registered.
Magnitite filter: Fernox Total............£81
TVRs :Drayton TRV4....................5 x £20
Flush:

• System sludge remover (Sentinel X400) ............£14
• System cleaners (Sentinel X300)....................£14

Scale reducer (Salamander Sesi)..............not sure if 15 mill (£40) or 22 mill (£90)
System scale / corrosion inhibitor (Sentinel X100)............£30

Already got thermostat old simple..needs to be simple..timer etc..and happy to reuse or use on boiler controls..simple keep it simple for me.

Rush Googled prices as I went along.

The tanks don't need removing..Out of the way and happy for them to stay there(....£100+ of copper if scrapped, other quoter said he'd remove them for free and cash in the copper..waiting on his quote)...Plus all necessary pipes are easily in reach for conversion.

This quoter did do a site survey..more like a sight survey..he looked into the small room containing the boiler and tanks...

Possibly use the existing flue outlet..legal re: distance to nearest window..although lowish to floor in boiler room.

Reconfiguring pipe seems to be 1m of 22mill copper (plus angles) from old wide bore steel pipe to new gas meter position (Meter repositioned previously prior to my arrival..but actually situated approx 250 mill above old wide bore steel pipe).

But getting a grip of things..had the base of the kitchen unit up today to verify to the other quoters that the wide bore steel pipe is where we thought it was..plus gave them happy info on what internet prices of a couple of boiler's are that I might fancy them installing ..so they know I know etc.
Hopefully a relationship based on knowledge and trust might occur from this..otherwise I'll keep ringing through the Gas Safety reg.

Vivvov

vivvov

Another question Canucklehead, if I may.
Might doing only a chemical flush, as opposed to a power flush, cause problems re boiler warranty?

Canucklehead

vivvov wrote: »

Another question Canucklehead, if I may.
Might doing only a chemical flush, as opposed to a power flush, cause problems re boiler warranty?

Good morning: see the relevant manufacturer's installation requirements and warranty conditions for clarification.

Canucklehead

ziggyman99

I'll answer that one: Possibly. If the chemical flush doesn't get rid of sufficient sludge and some manages to block your heat exchanger......

I ALWAYS powerflush. The only exceptions are were the customer signs a disclaimer.

Just to pick a couple of holes in your price list, you forgot a few things....

Gas Safe Registration fees. £180
Liability insurance £400+
Van insurance £400 - 1200
Road Tax £210
Diesel £80 a week
Replacement tools £10-100
ACS Re-assessment £800 every 5 years
Van maintenance £100 a month
Oh and PROFIT..... I don't know of any business that works for wages alone.

As for internet prices, I can't buy from local merchants at the prices they advertise, never mind make a profit. You could say buy from the internet then. If we all did that the trade merchants would soon go bust. If that happened that leaking stopcock that you have might take 3 or 4 days to fix instead of "i'll pop to the merchants to get one - back soon".

Canucklehead

Hi, Z.: my OH always recommends a powerflush and does the same as you....customer's choice.

Btw..do you fit a magnetic filter as standard? Have you found that folks increasingly quote you internet prices? Marked increase in quote chasers/timewasters/ 'I can spec. my install' types?

I've noticed a trend...more folks 'knowing' the price of everything but the value of nothing.

Canucklehead

gas4you

Sounds a pretty good price to me, even for outside of London

ziggyman99

Canucklehead wrote: »

Hi, Z.: my OH always recommends a powerflush and does the same as you....customer's choice.

Btw..do you fit a magnetic filter as standard? Have you found that folks increasingly quote you internet prices? Marked increase in quote chasers/timewasters/ 'I can spec. my install' types?

I've noticed a trend...more folks 'knowing' the price of everything but the value of nothing.

Canucklehead

I don't fit a magnet as standard but offer them on a "gut feeling" and "play it by ear" basis. For instance, last week I replaced a open vent heat only boiler which turned out to be such a badly sludged system that I STRONGLY recommended a filter. The customer accepted my recommendation after seeing the 30lbs of sludge I removed.....

There are plenty of internet price quoters. I recently did a combi conversion and the customer knew the price of everything and had also asked for 10 quotes! Times are tough. I find adding value rather than reducing the price is the way to go and is still getting me work when i'm priced significantly higher than the competition.