farmers can build whereever they like on greenbelt

leveller2911

lostinrates wrote: »

Incidentally, report blocked footpaths and bridle ways that are not kept servicable at the reuired width. They are a right of access and should be maintained. Consider joining local volunteer networks for maintaining them and mapping lost ones. They are an importnat resource providing access for all of us. Bridle ways obstructed can be refered to the British horse society as well as to the council for further pressure to be applied for their maintenance.

I use to "Beat the Bounds" years ago(local tradition), not sure if they did/do that down your way?.Once a year we would walk around all the local footpaths which meant that as they had been walk on no landowner could shut the footpaths or apply to have them moved.It was a good way to check the conditions of the "finger posts"(sign posts) too.

John_Pierpoint

lostinrates wrote: »

No friends on a planning committee, we're in the middle of planning ap. Public consultation closed with not a single complaint. In fact our new neighbours have been strongly encouraging. Only corner of difficulties have been listed building officer (essential repairs or rebuild to our house) and building regs disagreeing over repair versus rebuild and that a breeze block wall we want to remove is (by default) included on our listing and not being able to remove said breeze block wall plans have had to be altered to accommodate it.



The only thing I'm aware of having any difference to normal residential planning over is the erection of new agricultural buildings for agricultural use.

ChiefGrasscutter wrote: »

That's one of the 'crazies' in listed buildings. The building is listed in the condition it was when the listing was made. So quite regularly there are things like a 1960's window in a 17C cottage and the property was listed in 1970. Come 2010, new owner wants to remove 1960's horror and put back a replica period style sash windows. Oh no,no,no no...you can't do that; the 1960's horror was part of the "listing".
Note that listing also includes garden features and that the entire property is listed even if only a part of it is 'special'.

Best strategy in planning applications/modifications on listed buildings is to talk to the conservation officer first and get them on your side.

My relative just waited until Xmas holidays and re-installed "original" Georgian sash windows. Well that was well over 4 years ago, so home and dry now? Mind you it is only a conservation area building !

Edinburgh allows "double glazed" windows in listed buildings, but it does have a local producer of super slim high performance sealed units.
http://www.slimliteglass.co.uk/

Interesting to see Uncle Sam subsidising the production of a poisonous addictive crop.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_subsidy
Need to compete with Afghan and Columbian farmers I guess.

Meanwhile, no wonder the Euro is in trouble, who else wants a subsidy into a money pit?

So far,[10 May] data on just €15.4 billion in payments made in the 2010 financial year have been published by EU member states, much less than the estimated €55 billion that was spent. This is because of a recent backlash against budget transparency triggered by the European Union Court of Justice, which in November 2010 ruled that the EU rules requiring disclosure of payment data relating to ‘natural persons’ was a disproportionate violation of the right to personal privacy. In response, the European Commission ordered Member States to stop publishing data and in April 2011 issued an interim regulation requiring them only to publish data on payments to ‘legal persons’ (companies and partnerships).
Of the 27 member states, all but six have released at least some data. The six that have not yet met the 30 April deadline are Cyprus, Greece, France, Luxembourg, Slovenia and the UK. However among those that have released data, a large amount has been kept secret, from an estimated 98 per cent of all farm subsidy spending in Ireland to around 25 per cent spending in the Netherlands. Four countries, Denmark, Hungary, Sweden and the Czech Republic have previously provided complete data, though the Czech Republic has since withdrawn some of the data it had published. Only three countries appear committed to budget transparency in the CAP, and have proceeded with publication despite the European Union Court of Justice’s ruling.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1360998/Wealthy-minister-earns-2m-EU-farm-subsidies-department-tried-cover-up.html

John_Pierpoint

zcrat41 wrote: »

Incidentally, most farmers wish they could farm without subsidies. Be interesting to see what that did to the price of bread in Europe though.

The present subsidies have absolutely nothing to do with the production of wheat. The "farmer" gets paid the subsidy for every acre (including the one with his daughter's pony on it) as long as he keeps the land fit for agricultural production - I think this can mean spraying the weeds twice a year.

The land ain't going anywhere, for as long as the price of grain covers the production costs, it will continue to be farmed.

The subsidy simply gets capitalised into the value of the land.
When the rental value of agricultural land falls to zero, then there will be a case for some sort of subsidy.
In the mean time rather than subsidise land owners we should tax them.

Nothing new about these concepts. [Land owners really should understand their irrational privileges even though they are not under any immediate threat.]
This fellow explained that the price of grain dictates the price of land , not vice versa.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ricardo
This one came near to achieving the implementation of these ideas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgism
Of course it will never happen in the foreseeable future as explained by the Daily Mail link above.

Hands up anyone who thinks that is likely agricultural rents will fall to zero in the next 25 years?

It could happen, it did in the 1930's as Edwardian investment in the globalisation of farming made the relatively small UK farm uneconomic; but we now have a 7 billion world population.

A tremendous change occurred with the industrial revolution: whereas it had taken all of human history until around 1800 for world population to reach one billion, the second billion was achieved in only 130 years (1930), the third billion in less than 30 years (1959), the fourth billion in 15 years (1974), and the fifth billion in only 13 years (1987). During the 20th century alone, the population in the world has grown from 1.65 billion to 6 billion.

http://www.worldometers.info/population/

Now should we talk about all the import restrictions that help keep the price of food high in the EU ?

Should we start with Sugar?

leveller2911

John_Pierpoint wrote: »

My relative just waited until Xmas holidays and re-installed "original" Georgian sash windows. Well that was well over 4 years ago, so home and dry now? Mind you it is only a conservation area building !

Edinburgh allows "double glazed" windows in listed buildings, but it does have a local producer of super slim high performance sealed units.
http://www.slimliteglass.co.uk/



The rules regarding Listed Buildings and vat are irrational in that if you replace an existing rotten boxframe sash window then vat is payable but if you cut a new window opening in an existing brick/timber wall and fit a new boxframe sash window then that is vat free.They are not encouraging people to maintain Listed Properties.

The problem with sealed units you posted a link to is that they are prohibitively expensive.As an example I can make a sash with slim glazing bars(16mm-20mm wide) with a double glazed sealed unit for 80% less(glass cost) than slimlite units.The idea is great but there are issues with them IMO...I deal with around 4 Local Authorities and some will allow Double glazed and some won't and its very frustrating as theres no consistancy.

lostinrates

[QUOTE=leveller2911;45868189
The rules regarding Listed Buildings and vat are irrational in that if you replace an existing rotten boxframe sash window then vat is payable but if you cut a new window opening in an existing brick/timber wall and fit a new boxframe sash window then that is vat free.They are not encouraging people to maintain Listed Properties.

The problem with sealed units you posted a link to is that they are prohibitively expensive.As an example I can make a sash with slim glazing bars(16mm-20mm wide) with a double glazed sealed unit for 80% less than slimlite units.The idea is great but there are issues with them IMO...I deal with around 4 Local Authorities and some will allow Double glazed and some won't and its very frustrating as theres no consistancy.[/QUOTE]

its a shame you are not local.


DH has done his best with his scafolding tower, but we're highly aware, after simply patching for this winter the value of tradesmen!

We'd quite like to get one window professionally overhauled this year. Then the others as we do each room.:o