farmers can build whereever they like on greenbelt

lostinrates

No friends on a planning commitee, we're in the middle of planning ap. Public consultation closed with not a single complaint. In fact our new neighbours have been strongly encouraging. Only corner of difficulties have been listed building officer (essential repairs or rebuild to our house) and building regs disagreeing over repair versus rebuil and that a breeze block wall we want to remove is (by default) included on our listing and not being able to remove said breeze block wall plans have had to be altered to accomodate it.



The only thing I'm aware of having any difference to normal residential planning over is the erection of new agricultural buildings for agricultural use.

Davesnave

lostinrates wrote: »

The only thing I'm aware of having any difference to normal residential planning over is the erection of new agricultural buildings for agricultural use.

That only applies if one has over 5 hectares, and it's still not all-encompassing.

Lowly smallholders don't have that concession. We have to get in the queue with everyone else.

lostinrates

Davesnave wrote: »

That only applies if one has over 5 hectares, and it's still not all-encompassing.

Lowly smallholders don't have that concession. We have to get in the queue with everyone else.

Yep, that's true.

ChiefGrasscutter

lostinrates wrote: »

that a breeze block wall we want to remove is (by default) included on our listing and not being able to remove said breeze block wall plans have had to be altered to accomodate it.

That's one of the 'crazies' in listed buildings. The building is listed in the condition it was when the listing was made. So quite regularly there are things like a 1960's window in a 17C cottage and the property was listed in 1970. Come 2010, new owner wants to remove 1960's horror and put back a replica period style sash windows. Oh no,no,no no...you can't do that; the 1960's horror was part of the "listing".
Note that listing also includes garden features and that the entire property is listed even if only a part of it is 'special'.

Best strategy in planning applications/modifications on listed buildings is to talk to the conservation officer first and get them on your side.

Suarez

zcrat41 wrote: »

Well said peanuckle.

So many people think farmers are loaded and really lucky!

They often work long hours for low pay.

Apart from the odd few that got development money but they're few and far between.

Not that I'm jealous or anything!

Farmers are the best paid people around! You will never see a farmer with a car less that 5 years old or without a new 40k tractor!

richardlionheart

Get off my land !

lostinrates

Suarez wrote: »

Farmers are the best paid people around! You will never see a farmer with a car less that 5 years old or without a new 40k tractor!

many tractors cost an awful lot more than that, which is why many farmers cars cost an awful lot less. Of course, there is also the fact that a four wheel drive that can legitimately bought through the business might work out cheaper than a less ''ostentaious'' car.

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of very unsavoury financial loop holes ...in farms of all sizes, but not every farmer is rich, even off the hills and down in the plains and valleys. More left in farming are going to be rich to be in the business with increasing numbers of LA farms going into private ownership, usually broken up in the process (as ours was) but even then, a lot in that system as it stands stinks too.

StevieJ

If it is so easy for farmers to get planning permission, why did this guy have to do this BTW he doesn't sound very cunning to me, he should have had a word with meercatsunited

Cunning farmer John Renshaw built a house inside his barn to try to fool planning chiefs.
But officials found the two-storey home after a tip-off and he was ordered to pull it down.
It is thought he built it in secret as he knew he would never get planning permission.
Council chief John Badbury said: "We are always surprised by people's ingenuity."
Mr Renshaw, of Whatstandwell, Derbys, refused to comment.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2008/11/08/farmer-builds-house-inside-barn-to-fool-officials-115875-20877989/

leveller2911

StevieJ wrote: »

If it is so easy for farmers to get planning permission, why did this guy have to do this BTW he doesn't sound very cunning to me, he should have had a word with meercatsunited



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2008/11/08/farmer-builds-house-inside-barn-to-fool-officials-115875-20877989/

Interesting story that seems to run and run but I think he would never have got permission to build the style of house he wanted to build rather than being able to build as such.

Davesnave

leveller2911 wrote: »

Interesting story that seems to run and run but I think he would never have got permission to build the style of house he wanted to build rather than being able to build as such.

You may be thinking of Mr Fidler, who built a mock castle behind a wall of hay bales. He has his own thread on this forum, where people constantly ask, Rolf Harris style, "Has he got away with it yet?"