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Used Car Sale - Terms & Conditions

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  • visidigi
    visidigi Posts: 6,613 Forumite
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    Flyboy152 wrote: »
    ...As the dealer has lost nothing, the OP is entitled to all the deposit back (less any reasonable administration costs).

    and you know this based on what evidential fact?
  • Equaliser123
    Equaliser123 Posts: 3,404 Forumite
    I think the bold part sums it up well, both parties need to agree to it before hand, the OP is backing out, not the trader so they are entitled to keep the deposit

    If forfeiture of the deposit acts as a penalty against the OP then it is returnable.
  • clarkey3262
    clarkey3262 Posts: 203 Forumite
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    Then surely all desposits are refundable, because which ever way you look at it they act as a penalty against the customer if they decide not to go through with the deal?
  • Flyboy152
    Flyboy152 Posts: 17,118 Forumite
    visidigi wrote: »
    No its not, its a deposit - not any form of product payment. You 'virtually' get your deposit back when you complete the purchase - which is then used as part payment. This is the reason why its itemised as a deposit on a receipt for total payment - otherwise the receipt would just say 'total paid'.

    It makes no difference if you are buying a car or an elephant, by default its not payment, its a deposit - otherwise it would be called part-payment - the only exception to this is if there is separately defined rules for the deposit which is given to secure the product.

    It is a part payment. When the transaction is concluded and the contract formed, the monies already paid are deducted from the final balance. Ergo the deposit is a part payment.
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  • Flyboy152
    Flyboy152 Posts: 17,118 Forumite
    visidigi wrote: »
    and you know this based on what evidential fact?

    The OP has said that the car is still up for sale. If that was the case then the dealer has not lost any sales opportunity. The OP has not said that they asked for any accessories to be fitted, so the dealer has lost nothing there either. The car has not been registered in the OP's name, so no loss there either. What other losses do you think the dealer could have incurred?
    The greater danger, for most of us, lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark
  • Flyboy152
    Flyboy152 Posts: 17,118 Forumite
    Then surely all desposits are refundable, because which ever way you look at it they act as a penalty against the customer if they decide not to go through with the deal?

    Spot on.


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    The greater danger, for most of us, lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark
  • visidigi
    visidigi Posts: 6,613 Forumite
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    Flyboy152 wrote: »
    It is a part payment. When the transaction is concluded and the contract formed, the monies already paid are deducted from the final balance. Ergo the deposit is a part payment.

    Nope, like I said, the deposit is 'virtually' refunded to you at the point of completion - at the point of completion it becomes a payment -up until the point of completion it can't be a payment - otherwise anyone losing a deposit would have grounds to recevied products/services paid for.

    Thats the difference between a deposit and a payment.
  • visidigi
    visidigi Posts: 6,613 Forumite
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    Flyboy152 wrote: »
    The OP has said that the car is still up for sale. If that was the case then the dealer has not lost any sales opportunity. The OP has not said that they asked for any accessories to be fitted, so the dealer has lost nothing there either. The car has not been registered in the OP's name, so no loss there either. What other losses do you think the dealer could have incurred?

    Do you know, for a fact, that the dealer hasn't turned away a buyer in the meantime for the car as a deposit has been taken?

    Nope, so therefore you can't make such assumptions.
  • tomwakefield
    tomwakefield Posts: 8,036 Forumite
    Flyboy152 wrote: »
    Spot on.


    ...
    In which case deposits are pointless as, assuming they don't place any obligation on the customer, they presumably don't place any obligations on the supplier either, should someone else come along and offer more.
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  • Flyboy152
    Flyboy152 Posts: 17,118 Forumite
    visidigi wrote: »
    Nope, like I said, the deposit is 'virtually' refunded to you at the point of completion - at the point of completion it becomes a payment -up until the point of completion it can't be a payment - otherwise anyone losing a deposit would have grounds to recevied products/services paid for.

    Thats the difference between a deposit and a payment.

    For it be funded, "virually," or not, it has to be done. It has to be shown as a refund on any invoice or order. As there are no dealers that I know of, who structure their invoices or orders in that way, it is a part payment.
    The greater danger, for most of us, lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark
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