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Nice people thread part 4 - sugar and spice and all things
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lostinrates wrote: »I'm struggling here...but wasn't there some early discussion a bout whether Christians had to be Jews first? The original Jews for Jesus? Its seems logical through the OT especially we should feel allied.
Christians have rejected large parts of the OT I think (I'm definitely no expert). I read a big chunk of Leviticus once when Mrs Generali took me to church one time (long story). I think to most Christians those ideas would be as alien as the Gods of Mount Olympus or the Animistic idea that a rock or a tree has a soul.
How many Christian women atone for giving birth for example?
http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=KjvLevi.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&!!!!!public&part=12&division=div10 -
Christians have rejected large parts of the OT I think (I'm definitely no expert). ...I think to most Christians those ideas would be as alien as the Gods of Mount Olympus or the Animistic idea that a rock or a tree has a soul.
I think we discussed on an older thread (Richard I?) that one advantage of living here and now is that we're in a time and a place where we can change our religion without dire consequences.
We need to appreicate that not everyone's so fortunate; I heard some poor guy's facing a death sentence for becoming Christian.There is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known - Danny Baker0 -
Why funny? I rather suspect it comes from a childhood of Bible stories, in which all the good guys are always Jews. It sort of seeps into the subconscious.
Because the jews used the romans to kill christ.:) Comes across as quite ironic. Although if they hadn't, you wouldn't have a religion.It's getting harder & harder to keep the government in the manner to which they have become accustomed.0 -
JonnyBravo wrote: »I'm a naughty aetheist boy. :dance:
Atheism, a non-prophet organisation.
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Atheism, a non-prophet organisation.
(George Carlin)
"The fashion just now is a Roman Catholic frame of mind with an Agnostic conscience: you get the mediaeval picturesqueness of the one with the modern conveniences of the other"
(Saki/H.H.Auden, Reginald at the Theatre)
There is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known - Danny Baker0 -
lostinrates wrote: »I'm struggling here...but wasn't there some early discussion a bout whether Christians had to be Jews first? The original Jews for Jesus? Its seems logical through the OT especially we should feel allied.
I understand that Jesus derives from Yeshua, a shortened form of Yehoshuah (Joshua), so that would be a typical Jewish name of the time. Anyone know what proportion of the population of Palestine in Roman times was Jewish? I've always assumed it was very high, near 100%, but I have no idea really.No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?0 -
lemonjelly wrote: »Because the jews used the romans to kill christ.:) Comes across as quite ironic. Although if they hadn't, you wouldn't have a religion.I understand that Jesus derives from Yeshua, a shortened form of Yehoshuah (Joshua), so that would be a typical Jewish name of the time. Anyone know what proportion of the population of Palestine in Roman times was Jewish? I've always assumed it was very high, near 100%, but I have no idea really.
Even the most cursory reading of the New Testament makes it entirely obvious that Jesus was Jew, all the original disciples were Jews, the idea that you could be a follower of Jesus without being (or becoming) a Jew was a new development some time in the first few years of the early church. It took them a little while to decide what to do with gentile converts, but eventually it was decided not to make them follow the entire Jewish law (circumcision, dietary laws, sabbath keeping etc), but only the moral parts of it, and the obligation to be generous to the poor. (Initially they also included the prohibition on eating meat with the blood still in it, but that got dropped later.) Yes, sure there are some "bad guys" in the NT who are Jews, but 100% of the main "good guys" are Jews too.Do you know anyone who's bereaved? Point them to https://www.AtaLoss.org which does for bereavement support what MSE does for financial services, providing links to support organisations relevant to the circumstances of the loss & the local area. (Link permitted by forum team)
Tyre performance in the wet deteriorates rapidly below about 3mm tread - change yours when they get dangerous, not just when they are nearly illegal (1.6mm).
Oh, and wear your seatbelt. My kids are only alive because they were wearing theirs when somebody else was driving in wet weather with worn tyres.
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Roses are red, Violets are Blueish, if it wasn't for Jesus, We'd All be Jewish0
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the idea that you could be a follower of Jesus without being (or becoming) a Jew was a new development some time in the first few years of the early church. It took them a little while to decide what to do with gentile converts, but eventually it was decided not to make them follow the entire Jewish law (circumcision, dietary laws, sabbath keeping etc), but only the moral parts of it, and the obligation to be generous to the poor.
that's the stuff. Thanks lydia 0 -
Anyone know anything at all about DAB radios in cars? I'm thinking about getting a new car stereo with DAB. Are the radios good enough to pick the signal up properly & consistently? Would I need to retune every time I started the car?It's getting harder & harder to keep the government in the manner to which they have become accustomed.0
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