Nice people thread part 4 - sugar and spice and all things

vivatifosi

Pastures, please, please, please call the advocate tomorrow and arrange to talk to them. They will listen, they will help unravel the bits and they know who to kick to move things on. Remember, they exist to help people like you.

lostinrates

tomterm8 wrote: »

Hm... been wondering whether to respond to this.

All I can say is that only part of the economic system is man made. Much of it is not. Much of it is limited by 'the real world', and even that part of it that is man made, is not controllable.

You can make very simple systems on computer, and still not be able to predict the results of minor changes in input.

These are called, in mathematics, chaotic systems.

The economy is a much more complex system than anything programmed, and it is not computationally possible to accurately simulate it, or, as you put it, "to control the game," since any given change in government policy is guaranteed not to have any predicable effect.

most of the measures taken in the crisis have been done by people...interest rates, QE, the lack of lending limits, the continued spending while in debt...

I think that what the financial economy represents is real...does that make sense..so we can qe and interest rate control all we like, but drought to restrict crops impacts on the amount of wheat we can buy and sell for example...the wheat is real the numbers sort of represent.

That's why, where this real and what I see as representative have an inextricable interrelatedness that we cannot control (which is what I said, that we can't expect control) we can control reaction to it.

In our own lives, for example, we can (usually)choose to take on more or less debt, and strive for better incomes or not, save or not....but we don't have any say on the bigger stuff that manipulates all of this stuff, our governments do though.

I'm certainly not trying to pretend its a game of naughts and crosses and so long as you get the centre square you can win or draw everytime....:D

PasturesNew

lostinrates wrote: »

That or burn the house down.

PN, its not kind either, to either of you. And you need to eat. Don't you have anything you can plonk infront of both of you to eat?

No, I was living my life .... and today that would have meant I was out down town and would have got something for lunch and brought something back. As my day was turned upside down instantly I've spent the day f4nnying around the old and getting all their stuff back/in their room. So there's nothing in. I am single and there's nothing in. I'd even emptied the freezer of 10 month old random frozen goods this morning as part of my de-clutter.

There's my bread if the old wants to make more toast for themselves.

Oh .. and that "my own life/down town" ... was to be spent investigating various options for the old to see if what seems unsuitable/unattainable was attainable by any hidden means. I was visiting the two warden places to see if renting them was allowed in the lease - and if they knew of any for sale where the owners were thoroughly fed up and would consider renting one for awhile so the old could "try before you buy". And other errands on behalf of the old.... so it wasn't really my time/my life at all anyway.

silvercar

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

We use about 3-4 pints a week. Isaac, Sam and I have it in tea, Sam has it in coffee, OH drinks both black. Isaac insists on dry cereal, too.

Whose Sam?

PasturesNew

vivatifosi wrote: »

Pastures, please, please, please call the advocate tomorrow and arrange to talk to them. They will listen, they will help unravel the bits and they know who to kick to move things on. Remember, they exist to help people like you.

But I'm kind of stuck at the stage before that... I don't even have a clue what I could be asking the advocate to look into for me. I'm so far down the desolate road now that I don't know which way's up and really don't care any more.

silvercar

PasturesNew wrote: »

Fetched, removed immediately. Then had to go back to collect everything, then bring it back .... and lots of sibling phone calls, some I couldn't take as I was off to get the goods, some I had to take later as they called back. One I simply passed to the old as I picked up the phone and said "I am going out to get the stuff, here ... speak and ask for yourself" and I understand the old had an ear-bashing. Other sibling told the old they were being very selfish and gave the old an ear-bashing too. So old is trying to play "poor me" - and now I have a headache and I'm too tired (mentally/emotionally more than physically) to even be 4rsed to go to the shops to buy in appropriate food for the old to eat tonight. Tough t1tty really. Hard luck.

Sibling just 20 miles away is offering me a quick haven to run to, but I can't make concrete plans in case the old decides this isn't working either. So I'm on hold again....

Tired, fed up, alone, headache, p155ed off, angry, frustrated, forlorn, desolate, alone ..... and defeated.

I think a trip to siblings may be good for you.

Shame that you felt obliged to "fetch", both for the immediate problem and for any future occasion when old wants fetching.

PasturesNew

silvercar wrote: »

I think a trip to siblings may be good for you.

Shame that you felt obliged to "fetch", both for the immediate problem and for any future occasion when old wants fetching.

I've decided a trip to siblings is the last thing I need.... it'd involve hours and hours of talk about the old/situation - and I need a break. So I was just checking out caravans to rent so I could go somewhere by myself for a week, but within 10 miles. For the solitude I need. Bit pricey though.

SingleSue

Favourite milk - Cravendale...alas it can only be regarded as a treat so we treat ourselves once a month to a bottle as it is quite pricey, the rest of the time it is cheep and cheerful supermarket milk.

Dad loved being taken to the pub by James, at one point it looked like it was not going to happen as all the palaver over everyone descending on their house and lots of noise had tired him out but just as we were about to leave, dad woke up from his doze and said "So when are we going to the pub? Can we go now?"

I think secretly, dad is quite proud that he was the one to be with James for his first legal pint.

You may notice that I am naming him now, I have discusssed it with James and his view is that he is now an adult and the only person he needs protecting from is himself, especially as he can now go clubbing :rotfl: So, he is fine with it.

PN - I know the feelings all too well but even so, I have no idea how to make you feel more positive, or less stressed...caring for someone is one of the hardest things to do.

PasturesNew

SingleSue wrote: »

PN - I know the feelings all too well but even so, I have no idea how to make you feel more positive, or less stressed...caring for someone is one of the hardest things to do.

I've stopped 'caring' now, see how the old manages without it .... and I've stopped caring. Too tired and down to care about anything now, I just want a very, very long and quiet sleep. I could sleep for 1000 years.

The trouble with parents is, you can't give them away. According to the law etc they have choice and it's all their choice. Trouble is, the choice that's being made is the one that enslaves me. It's not like looking after somebody with a broken leg, that's grateful, it's a spiteful and demanding, emotionally draining, experience - designed to break me down until I've not got the energy to walk away ... but I must walk while I still have a dream that somewhere out there is freedom.

SingleSue

I know exactly where you are coming from PN because that is how I feel at times...along with the feeling of being trapped.

When I was a young adult just embarking on life, I never once imagined I would have to give up a much loved career, all my dreams etc and exist on benefits because I just happened to have disabled children.

What has worked for me though, is not to look too far into the future, to just take one day at a time and on the really horrendous days, an hour, or even 10 minutes at a time...to do anything else, even thinking a month in advance, is far too depressing as it just appears to be one never ending nightmare merry go round complete with thrown insults, books, toys and fists thrown in!