Hints and tips for weaning (merged)

nadnad

yes i attack strangers all the time. but generally only the ones ywho attack me first. and let me say that just because you had post natal depression nicki does not mean that i do!! and may i say again how amazing it is that you make that diagnosis from a few posts, having never met me! i am very happy and contented being a mum. thank you for your concern.

thats great millie bear could you tell me where you got the info, because i read a lot about breast feeding and all I can come up with is that the milk changes a lot until 3 months which is when it is mature milk. and also regarding growth spurts the only info i can find tells me that babies nurse more and require more milk during breast feeding. I am aware that the older babies get the fat content of milk decreases but i really didn't know nor can find anything to suggest that during a growth spurt the nutritional content changes. i really am interested in this.

nadnad

Nicki wrote: »

Nadnad, I'm sorry but as it is clear you are on a witchhunt, I am now going to repeat what I said to you in a PM but in much blunter terms to make sure you understand what I am saying.

You are being wholly unreasonable and frankly most unpleasant. Milliebear does not deserve any of this. Her posts don't bear the interpretation you put on them on any rational reading of them.

i am not on a witch hunt - i'm simply responding to what you wrote, and to what Milliebear wrote. she gave some info regarding weaning and the signs for weaning and regarding growth spurts and I responded.

Nicki

nadnad wrote: »

may i say again how amazing it is that you make that diagnosis from a few posts, having never met me!

I haven't made any diagnosis nadnad, but your posts certainly raise that suspicion. Have you shown this thread to your OH? Does he think you've been attacked? Would you feel comfortable showing it to your health visitor?

Look at the thanks counts on the recent exchange. They may change of course, but no one is thanking your posts or agreeing with your analysis of what Milliebear is saying. Does that not tell you that you are the only person who is reading them in that way, and that therefore your perception is skewed.

As you rightly say (and I have no shame about admitting it, lest you think you've successfully attacked me :rolleyes: ) I did suffer from post natal depression after I had my second child, and I would have reacted in exactly the way you have done on this thread had anyone looked at me sideways. I don't regard it as a character-flaw on my part. It was simply a health problem caused by pregnancy - no more blame-worthy than gestational diabetes or pre-eclampsia. Pre-PND (and now I like to think ) I was a fairly easygoing, likeable bod, so it was fairly easy to see that was a symptom of post baby hormones. If you've always been so fierce, but paradoxically reduced to tears and shaking when someone disagrees with you, and prone to getting the wrong end of the stick however, then I'm happy to take you at your word, that that's just the kind of person you are.

I'm not expecting you to bear your soul on here, but if on reflection, you think there might be a grain of truth there, please don't suffer in silence. Your hv has already raised the possibility with you, so perhaps she also suspects this to be the case. A lot can be done to alleviate the symptoms of PND if it is recognised and dealt with quickly. If it drags on for many many months before it is spotted, then there could be years of misery ahead for both mother and child. Hence why, at great risk of having my head ripped off and placed on a spike next to Milliebear's, all I'm saying is to look after yourself as well as your baby.

daphne_descends

nadnad wrote: »

yes i attack strangers all the time. but generally only the ones ywho attack me first. and let me say that just because you had post natal depression nicki does not mean that i do!! and may i say again how amazing it is that you make that diagnosis from a few posts, having never met me! i am very happy and contented being a mum. thank you for your concern.

VERY offensive. I LOVE being a mother but still suffered PND. Perhaps you don't know [STRIKE]anything[/STRIKE] much about it, in which case you'd be wise to keep ignorant comments like that to yourself.

Nicki

nadnad wrote: »

i just wonder when if ever i'll feel that i'm a perfect enough parent to start commenting on other people's parenting practices. it must be nice.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Don't let it upset you, daphne. I love being a mum too and always did. That's not what causes PND, as we both know from personal experience. Hope you're over yours now too, as I am. Should be, of course, as they are both in KS2 now!!

Anyhow, we're taking this thread way off topic with this.

ETA - Just realised how appropriate my avvie must be to nad-nad atm :rotfl: :rotfl:

nadnad

i'm sorry daphne that post read wrong - i didnt mean that people with PND arent happy being a mum - i just meant that no I don't have PND and yes I am very happy and also that I love being a mum.

no i didnt intend to "attack" you Nicki by saying you have PND - had you not mentioned this previously? and therefore I assumed it was ok to mention it. and why would you have shame in admitting it - its nothing to be ashamed of.

but as you ask i would be happy showing this to my other half - in fact i've told him all about it, i am generally an argumentative person, i have to be in my job, its part of my nature. i will respond to anything you throw at me.

again i'll say that i really dont think it advisable that you try to comment on peoples mental health on the basis of a few posts!

Nicki

nadnad wrote: »

again i'll say that i really dont think it advisable that you try to comment on peoples mental health on the basis of a few posts!

I'm pleased that you are OK.

And you are of course quite right. Should I ever see a new mum sobbing and shaking in a public place and worried that everyone is criticising her for being a bad mum, I shall not stop to enquire whether she is OK. That would be inadvisable and inappropriate. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You seem determined to take everything that has been posted as a personal affront. So as not to upset you any further, I am going to put you on ignore when I finish typing this response, so I can continue to read this thread but not be sucked into your personal dramas. I wish you well with your baby.

nadnad

thank you nicki. i didnt know you can ignore people - well now see if i'd known that then this thread would have been a whole lot shorter!

milliebear00001

nadnad wrote: »

yes i attack strangers all the time. but generally only the ones ywho attack me first. and let me say that just because you had post natal depression nicki does not mean that i do!! and may i say again how amazing it is that you make that diagnosis from a few posts, having never met me! i am very happy and contented being a mum. thank you for your concern.

thats great millie bear could you tell me where you got the info, because i read a lot about breast feeding and all I can come up with is that the milk changes a lot until 3 months which is when it is mature milk. and also regarding growth spurts the only info i can find tells me that babies nurse more and require more milk during breast feeding. I am aware that the older babies get the fat content of milk decreases but i really didn't know nor can find anything to suggest that during a growth spurt the nutritional content changes. i really am interested in this.

I'd have preferred a PM as requested as this is not what this thread is about, but the following are all studies concerned with the changing composition of breastmilk throughout the first 1-2 years of breastfeeding. The first one is the more readable in my opinion.

Hamosh, Margit, Ph.D.: Breast-feeding: Unraveling the Mysteries of Mother's Milk.

Jensen RG, ed. Handbook of milk composition. New York: Academic Press, 1995.
Prentice AM, Prentice A. Evolutionary and environmental influences on human lactation. Proc Nutr Soc 1995;54:391 400.

Lonnerdal B. Biochemistry and physiological functions of human milk proteins. Am J Clin Nutr 1985;42:12991317.
Mepham TB. Physiology of lactation. Milton Keynes, UK: Open University Press, 1987.I expect you'll be able to get/download copies if you Google them. Happy reading.

nadnad

do they have sections specifically on the changing composition leading up to and during a growth spurt as opposed to the composition changing up to 2 years - because i'm aware of that, just not the growth spurt bit.