Strikes to go ahead

StevieJ

I wonder if behind those closed doors the Torylition are celebrating the great recession, a golden opportunity to dismantle many years of social reform and improvement for the minions. When the great political /economic historians of the future look back I think they will see 2008 as major inflexion point and indeed see 1979 and Maggie as a minor event in comparison (excuse the pun).

leveller2911

macaque wrote: »

And then there is the question of salary. Why should a good teacher be paid less than a GP. As a service to the community, there is little between them. In terms of commitment, I suspect that many teachers put in a lot more than GPs.

If your looking for commitment to Society look no further than your local Bin men/women.Without them disease would be rife and not to mention the fact that they are out in all weathers come rain or shine and working in temperatures from -10 to +33 are they paid accordingly?.

Go back 30 years and no one left School not able to read and write properly sadly its all too often now.Your right in that there are many good teachers but equelly many that just aren't up to the job.

A good teacher who is passionate about the subject they teach should be paid a 50% bonus and a poor teacher who lacks motivation and passion about his/her subject should be sacked the problem is the Unions won't accept it...

leveller2911

LydiaJ wrote: »

Interesting. Average wages for whom are higher than whose wages in the private sector please?

I was asking the question because on Newsnight it was stated that the average wage in the Private sector schools was in fact lower than that of the State Schools.. Think it was when Paxman was discussing the strike with a Head teacher who's school wasn't striking,a Union rep and a Conservative MP..

patrick_bs15

vivatifosi wrote: »

I agree with you michaels but there is a potential joker in the pack here. This is the move from RPI to CPI. This may (very likely will) reduce the pension values going forward, including those already accrued. Unless your scheme docs state explicitly RPI and not "the government measure of inflation" or words to that effect, then your scheme could change and there's nothing you can do about it, even if the benefits are accrued. Oh, and this isn't just public sector pensions either.

Good point: this is why I'm striking on Thursday (I'm a primary school teacher)

I accept the 2 year pay freeze on my salary, I accept the need to work till 67, I accept that the percentage I pay towards my pension has to increase...
What I don't accept is the link to CPI rather than RPI. If that was removed I wouldn't have any problems with the measures taken at all.

LydiaJ

leveller2911 wrote: »

I was asking the question because on Newsnight it was stated that the average wage in the Private sector schools was in fact lower than that of the State Schools.. Think it was when Paxman was discussing the strike with a Head teacher who's school wasn't striking,a Union rep and a Conservative MP..

It varies a lot. One private school offered me a part-time job with a salary so low I that I genuinely thought it was a typo - but it wasn't. I wrote to tell them I was unable to take the job at that salary because I would be making a loss once I'd covered my childcare. They increased the offer by about 60% - it was still less than a state school would have paid for those hours, but not all that much less - on condition that I didn't tell any of the other teachers what I was getting.

I've also taught in private schools that pay more than the state sector. Most of those are boarding schools that want much longer hours than a state school would ask of you, and often Saturdays as well, though.

torontoboy45

LydiaJ wrote: »

It varies a lot. One private school offered me a part-time job with a salary so low I that I genuinely thought it was a typo - but it wasn't. I wrote to tell them I was unable to take the job at that salary because I would be making a loss once I'd covered my childcare. They increased the offer by about 60% - it was still less than a state school would have paid for those hours, but not all that much less - on condition that I didn't tell any of the other teachers what I was getting.

I've also taught in private schools that pay more than the state sector. Most of those are boarding schools that want much longer hours than a state school would ask of you, and often Saturdays as well, though.

it varies indeed. OH was offered a similar position in a indie day school with (slightly) less onerous commitments and (by OH's calcs) a 31% pay increase.

ah, the joys of a fully-privatised education system....or not.

torontoboy45

patrick_bs15 wrote: »

Good point: this is why I'm striking on Thursday (I'm a primary school teacher)

I accept the 2 year pay freeze on my salary, I accept the need to work till 67, I accept that the percentage I pay towards my pension has to increase...
What I don't accept is the link to CPI rather than RPI. If that was removed I wouldn't have any problems with the measures taken at all.

you are a very acquiescent man, patrick.

if your faculties and physical health are still up for it and you can guarantee my g/children an informed and useful education when you hit your 67th yr I salute you.

torontoboy45

leveller2911 wrote: »

If your looking for commitment to Society look no further than your local Bin men/women.Without them disease would be rife and not to mention the fact that they are out in all weathers come rain or shine and working in temperatures from -10 to +33 are they paid accordingly?.

Go back 30 years and no one left School not able to read and write properly sadly its all too often now.Your right in that there are many good teachers but equelly many that just aren't up to the job.

A good teacher who is passionate about the subject they teach should be paid a 50% bonus and a poor teacher who lacks motivation and passion about his/her subject should be sacked the problem is the Unions won't accept it...

'equally many who aren't up to the job'...

provide clear evidence for this, if you can.

Generali

StevieJ wrote: »

I wonder if behind those closed doors the Torylition are celebrating the great recession, a golden opportunity to dismantle many years of social reform and improvement for the minions. When the great political /economic historians of the future look back I think they will see 2008 as major inflexion point and indeed see 1979 and Maggie as a minor event in comparison (excuse the pun).

I see this argument or varieties of it quite a bit and have never understood it. Can you clarify a bit StevieJ?

What exactly is it that you think that the Tories want to undo?

stonethrower

LydiaJ wrote: »

Interesting. Average wages for whom are higher than whose wages in the private sector please?

Here is a couple of links stating public service workers get paid more.


http://www.payandbenefitsmagazine.co.uk/pab/article/public-sector-workers-better-paid-than-private-sector-1238631


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/7835366/Public-sector-pay-conditions-outstrip-private-sector-report-says.html