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I'm working, he's not, where do we stand?
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just had a look to satisfy my own curiosity.
on a combined wage of 18k a couple get £0
same details, but add 1 child and they become entitled to £57.74 a week ctc. plus £20 a week cb
when did it cost £77 a week to keep a child.
especially when an unemployed singleton gets £65.0 -
I really feel sorry for the OP of this thread. Ask a question and get patronised by 3 or 4 people. Lovely...The opposite of what you know...is also true0
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No she was told the truth, people could have asked if he was the childs father, why she was claiming to be single while in a relationship and so on. Her intent is to maximise her benefits at the expense of her relationship. Simple truth is if you love each other you will cope living together and good luck to him in his efforts to find work.I really feel sorry for the OP of this thread. Ask a question and get patronised by 3 or 4 people. Lovely...mortgage free by christmas 2014 owed £5,000, jan 2014 £4,170, £4,060, feb £3,818 march £3,399 30% of the way there woohoo
If you don't think you can go on look back and see how far you've come0 -
Something really does need to be done about this - the likes of Frank Field have pointed it out before, and the Tories promised to address the bias against couples, but nothing has been done.
It's a bad example to use Frank Field MP for getting an increase in welfare payments like tax credits, as he is against tax credits and always has been. He resigned his ministerial post when Blair said that bringing in new welfare payments like tax credits, would be a vote winner. Blair rejected Frank Field's welfare reform ideas, in favour of Gordon Brown's new and increased welfare payments like tax credits.
Fortunately, Frank Field is working with the Tories (and has been since they got into power) and his welfare reforms are being listened to and being implemented. Just look at how active his speeches have been in parliament. He believes in people working to get themselves out of poverty and he called tax credits a poverty trap.
Frank Field, one of Labour's most high-profile MPs, provoked his party today by appearing alongside David Cameron at an election event.
The socially conservative MP for Birkenhead, a persistent thorn in the side of Gordon Brown, indicated he was not defecting to the Conservatives. But he risked an internal party rift when he said that "more of the same" would not end poverty.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6983597.ece
If the OPs boyfriend wants to move in, then perhaps the OP should tell him he can do that when he starts working and can feed himself.RENTING? Have you checked to see that your landlord has permission from their mortgage lender to rent the property? If not, you could be thrown out with very little notice.
Read the sticky on the House Buying, Renting & Selling board.0 -
princessdreamer wrote: »No she was told the truth, people could have asked if he was the childs father, why she was claiming to be single while in a relationship and so on. Her intent is to maximise her benefits at the expense of her relationship. Simple truth is if you love each other you will cope living together and good luck to him in his efforts to find work.
No, people are using any reason to be patronising and on this site these days. Whats the matter, do you get bullied in real life?Did your parents not give you enough attention? Are you sexually frustrated??
And the people who 'thank' your kind are even worse.
I've started reporting this type of behaviour when I come across it - which is every time I view this site these days.The opposite of what you know...is also true0 -
gosh you are having a bad day lolNo, people are using any reason to be patronising and on this site these days. Whats the matter, do you get bullied in real life?Did your parents not give you enough attention? Are you sexually frustrated??
And the people who 'thank' your kind are even worse.
I've started reporting this type of behaviour when I come across it - which is every time I view this site these days.mortgage free by christmas 2014 owed £5,000, jan 2014 £4,170, £4,060, feb £3,818 march £3,399 30% of the way there woohoo
If you don't think you can go on look back and see how far you've come0 -
Whats the matter, do you get bullied in real life?Did your parents not give you enough attention? Are you sexually frustrated??
Interstingly, everything on your list above, is more likey to be the problems of those who do claim benefits; with the last one more the reason why they defraud benefits and don't declare their partner.
TBH, I do sympathise with the OP as I know how she feels: I too took in a lame duck (not that I saw him that way at first) when I was younger. Not the same circumstances as I was single, had my own house and good job, but I paid for his housing, utilities and food, just as the OP will have to do from her wages and her childrens welfare payments.
I wish friends had warned me about the pitfalls of doing this, but they all said afterwards, that I wouldn't have listened anyway. Love is strange like that; all reason goes out of our heads.
Perhaps if enough people warn the OP, she might, just might, take a step back and encourage her boyfriend to support himself before he moves in or even take another look at the relationship.
Welfare payments will not continue as we have seen them over the last 8/9 years. Can the OP get off welfare with a partner who doesn't work and is willing to let another adult keep them; using welfare money that is for her children?RENTING? Have you checked to see that your landlord has permission from their mortgage lender to rent the property? If not, you could be thrown out with very little notice.
Read the sticky on the House Buying, Renting & Selling board.0 -
i don't understand why you think it's unfair for people to support themselves instead of relying on benefit.
if people are better off with benefits, it doesnt necessarily nean that the system isnt giving them enough. it could just mean, that at the moment, the system gives too much!
Where is it I've said "it's unfair for people to support themselves instead of relying on benefit."??
I think the massive difference between what a single parent gets and what a couple gets is the problem. As this thread and so many others illustrate.
Why do you think the UK has by far the highest proportion of single parent families in the EU? Maybe if we encouraged single parents to get together with someone, through tax breaks, increased tax credits etc, rather than discouraged it, we'd have the sort of proportion of single parent families they have in France or Spain.
It would cost a little, but would massively reduce the benefits bill by far more than the cost. But by shafting couples, many single parents and their partners simply refuse to live together.
And you can moralise about it all you want, you can slate people who consider the financial impact of moving in with their partner, like they really care. It won't have any effect on the huge proportion of single parent families in the UK.
Not shafting them so much might.0 -
MissMoneypenny wrote: »It's a bad example to use Frank Field MP for getting an increase in welfare payments like tax credits, as he is against tax credits and always has been.
So what, so am I
He resigned his ministerial post when Blair said that bringing in new welfare payments like tax credits, would be a vote winner. Blair rejected Frank Field's welfare reform ideas, in favour of Gordon Brown's new and increased welfare payments like tax credits.
Blair told him to "think the unthinkable", so he did, and Blair replied "that's unthinkable"!Fortunately, Frank Field is working with the Tories (and has been since they got into power) and his welfare reforms are being listened to and being implemented. Just look at how active his speeches have been in parliament. He believes in people working to get themselves out of poverty and he called tax credits a poverty trap.
Yes. And he's right. They are a poverty trap. The marginal rate when combined with tax and NI is 73%, with HB as well it's 90%, with CTB it's 95%. People who say "it's not worth working" or "it's not worth working more" are usually right.
Why would anyone take a low paid job boring, drudgy job and maybe earn 50p an hour after tax/benefits are taken into account? I wouldn't bother, no matter what any moraliser might think.
Frank Field, one of Labour's most high-profile MPs, provoked his party today by appearing alongside David Cameron at an election event.
The socially conservative MP for Birkenhead, a persistent thorn in the side of Gordon Brown, indicated he was not defecting to the Conservatives. But he risked an internal party rift when he said that "more of the same" would not end poverty.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6983597.ece
Again, 100% correct.
UK tax/benefits policy has resulted in the the UK having the highest proportion of children living in workless households in the EU, despite our unemployment rate being lower than average. This is the poverty trap in action. Frank is right. If this govt listens to him they might have a chance of reducing poverty.
The UC is a step in the right direction, but probably not radical enough to make a massive difference. A tax system like in France might be...0 -
Originally Posted by ska lover
Whats the matter, do you get bullied in real life?Did your parents not give you enough attention? Are you sexually frustrated??MissMoneypenny wrote: »Interstingly, everything on your list above, is more likey to be the problems of those who do claim benefits; with the last one more the reason why they defraud benefits and don't declare their partner.
What a load of crap!The opposite of what you know...is also true0
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