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How long do myths last?

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  • Orpheo
    Orpheo Posts: 1,058 Forumite
    StevieJ wrote: »
    Not to mention that LibDem X :shhh:

    A vote for the lib dems is a vote for no student fees. That is what most of them really believed.

    Clegg has buried the LibDems after some years of growth for them. Maybe he's even buried them for good. I reckon most LibDems know this, even the senior ones. Of course there are some LibDems loving being Tories, Danny Alexander for one, but the rest of them know that the devil will take their souls and are too spineless to do anything about it.
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  • Graham_Devon
    Graham_Devon Posts: 58,560 Forumite
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    Orpheo wrote: »
    A vote for the lib dems is a vote for no student fees. That is what most of them really believed.

    Clegg has buried the LibDems after some years of growth for them. Maybe he's even buried them for good. I reckon most LibDems know this, even the senior ones. Of course there are some LibDems loving being Tories, Danny Alexander for one, but the rest of them know that the devil will take their souls and are too spineless to do anything about it.

    This is one of the reasons I do wish labour had gained another term.

    We'd be in the same boat. Unless people seem to think Labour would currently be on a spending party and everything would be rosey. With Ed Balls in charge, based on what hes saying, thats exactly what we'd have. More spending, no cuts, and living the life of reilly with lower VAT all round, even lower VAT on fuel, pensions crisis completely ignored, jobs in abundance, no cuts in the hospital sector, no cuts in the hospitals, no cuts to the poorest in society, no cuts to the poor middle britain. No rises in taxes and magical growth from no where.

    Trouble is, other labour ministers warned us that if they got another term, we'd face bigger and more deep hitting cuts than the thatcher era. That, is quickly forgotten....afterall, they don't have to make those cuts now, so its full on attack.
  • Mr_Mumble
    Mr_Mumble Posts: 1,758 Forumite
    lemonjelly wrote: »
    Now however, they want the disabled to undercut other workers - giving the CBI an excuse to offer sub NMW salaries to disabled people under the pretence that they are giving them a helping hand. Yet another form of divide & conquer. I don't believe any of the boolsheet that MP came out with, he said what he said because he doesn't feel disabled people should earn as much as non-disabled people.
    Well you're showing your own prejudices by not taking a person at their word.

    Philip Davies is correct on the larger issue. You can't on the one hand moan about levels of unemployment - be it youth, disabled, 50+, unskilled - and then promote a minimum wage. It is rank hypocrisy.

    As for "compassion", I'd say forcing someone to either work for nothing (via volunteer work or internship) or not work at all is far from "compassion". I find it repugnant and akin to state slavery.

    The pomposity of Britons believing their labour is "worth" x when someone in China is doing the same work for x - £5 per hour shows how deluded the nation has become.
    "The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else." -- Frederic Bastiat, 1848.
  • Thrugelmir
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    ALIBOBSY wrote: »
    Interestingly the people I know working in the NHS reckon the targets have been cheated for years to make things look like they were being hit all the time, perhaps now things are more honest?

    ali x

    Like keeping patients on ambulances and not admitting them to A&E so the 4 hour treatment rule wasn't breached.

    Cancelling day surgery to free up beds. So that admissions at night could be allowed for.

    All in the name of a target that paints a totally false picture. Not forgetting the expense and of tying up senior clinical staffs time to deal with the situation.
  • neverdespairgirl
    neverdespairgirl Posts: 16,501 Forumite
    People are still reading Greek Myths and the Old Testament.....
    ...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.
  • StevieJ
    StevieJ Posts: 20,174 Forumite
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    Orpheo wrote: »
    A vote for the lib dems is a vote for no student fees. That is what most of them really believed.

    Clegg has buried the LibDems after some years of growth for them. Maybe he's even buried them for good. I reckon most LibDems know this, even the senior ones. Of course there are some LibDems loving being Tories, Danny Alexander for one, but the rest of them know that the devil will take their souls and are too spineless to do anything about it.

    To be fair they planted the seeds of the Welfare State in the early 20th century, this lot are now helping to lay down the weedkiller in the flower beds :eek: Danny Alexander looks like one of those kids that get bullied at school, perhaps now he is sneekily getting his own back :)
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • StevieJ
    StevieJ Posts: 20,174 Forumite
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    People are still reading Greek Myths and the Old Testament.....

    Hubby won't like that :)
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • StevieJ
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    Mr_Mumble wrote: »
    y.

    The pomposity of Britons believing their labour is "worth" x when someone in China is doing the same work for x - £5 per hour shows how deluded the nation has become.

    Including der management :)
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • neverdespairgirl
    neverdespairgirl Posts: 16,501 Forumite
    StevieJ wrote: »
    Hubby won't like that :)

    He's an aetheist Orthodox Jew. I'm only agnostic (-:
    ...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.
  • StevieJ
    StevieJ Posts: 20,174 Forumite
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    He's an aetheist Orthodox Jew. I'm only agnostic (-:

    I am sure there is an Oxymoron hiding in there somewhere :)
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
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