Public sector wellcome to the real world

Koicarp

As we now seem to have established the "facts" that anyone for cuts in public service pensions, is a Thatcher loving, union hating, Daily Mail reading fascist, and that those against change are lazy, over paid, communists who happen to be public service workers, could we move on to practical suggestions for improving the situation?
Not everybody will live forever, even though the government and I guess the daily mail think they will. I suggest charging the middle classes (who live longer), the southerners (who live longer) more than us northern working class types. If you are both a southerner and middle class you should probably pay double.
Smokers, alcaholics, drug users and those with suicidal tendencies within the public services should probably pay a token 1%.

WhiteHorse

Koicarp wrote: »

I suggest charging the middle classes (who live longer), the southerners (who live longer) more than us northern working class types.

Smokers, alcaholics, drug users and those with suicidal tendencies within the public services should probably pay a token 1%.

Interesting juxtaposition.

Muscle750

It makes me seeth that Public secter are throwing their toys out the pram finally they realise the gravy boat is sinking Ok not everyone in this postion i admit i know of someone in a very high ranking postion within the Civil service whose basic salary is £120k and the pension is listed at 3% of their salary for a nice retirement of just on £100k a year pension................I rest my case.
Plus my wife who is a teacher and earns close to £900 a month less than i do working in the private sectar Her pension pot is worth considerably more than mine and weve both been paying in the same amount of time my final salary was pulled from under my feet years ago why should the public sectar be any different

Moby

Muscle750 wrote: »

It makes me seeth that Public secter are throwing their toys out the pram finally they realise the gravy boat is sinking Ok not everyone in this postion i admit i know of someone in a very high ranking postion within the Civil service whose basic salary is £120k and the pension is listed at 3% of their salary for a nice retirement of just on £100k a year pension................I rest my case.
Plus my wife who is a teacher and earns close to £900 a month less than i do working in the private sectar Her pension pot is worth considerably more than mine and weve both been paying in the same amount of time my final salary was pulled from under my feet years ago why should the public sectar be any different

'Gravy boat' ha! have you any idea how insulting that is...for all of the reasons listed previously. You are basically saying because things went bad in the private sector...let's hit hard pressed public service colleagues as well.

Its the return of rampant Thatcherism, divide and rule; press the buttons of all the usual subjects; immigration, the unions, benefit scroungers and now add public service pensions to the list! Stir up this division by going on about the debt our children and grandchildren will face and how these pensions are simply unaffordable, (while minimising the changes that have already taken place....of course) and voila they've bought public opinion by appealing to our base predjudices. Meanwhile the bankers continue paying out their bonuses with money given to them by the taxpayer to 'bail them out'. There's nothing new in this world is there!:rotfl:

The Government wants you to believe there is no alternative solution and of course so many of us are only too happy to be convinced because we have swallowed their commentary 'hook line and sinker' and of course some of us are untouched/retired and our investments already safe so we can shout as loud as we like from the sidelines! Of course it doesn't have to be this way but so many are going to have to suffer before that is realised.

taking_stock

Muscle750 wrote: »

It makes me seeth that Public secter are throwing their toys out the pram finally they realise the gravy boat is sinking Ok not everyone in this postion i admit i know of someone in a very high ranking postion within the Civil service whose basic salary is £120k and the pension is listed at 3% of their salary for a nice retirement of just on £100k a year pension................I rest my case.
Plus my wife who is a teacher and earns close to £900 a month less than i do working in the private sectar Her pension pot is worth considerably more than mine and weve both been paying in the same amount of time my final salary was pulled from under my feet years ago why should the public sectar be any different

quite apart from the fact that the numbers dont stack up (what accrual rate over how many years do you need to get 5/6 final salary!), at the top of the civil service like this, you'd have to compare it against fred goodwin!!

martinthebandit

If I were a tory Henry G makes some worrying points here,

http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2011/06/28/can-cameron-afford-to-take-on-middle-class-women/

But I'm not so thats OK then

StevieJ

Muscle750 wrote: »

.I rest my case.
Plus my wife who is a teacher and earns close to £900 a month less than i do working in the private sectar Her pension pot is worth considerably more than mine and weve both been paying in the same amount of time my final salary was pulled from under my feet years ago why should the public sectar be any different

Task for the day, form a sentence containing nose, spite and face.

ILW

Moby wrote: »

'Gravy boat' ha! have you any idea how insulting that is...for all of the reasons listed previously. You are basically saying because things went bad in the private sector...let's hit hard pressed public service colleagues as well.

Its the return of rampant Thatcherism, divide and rule; press the buttons of all the usual subjects; immigration, the unions, benefit scroungers and now add public service pensions to the list! Stir up this division by going on about the debt our children and grandchildren will face and how these pensions are simply unaffordable, (while minimising the changes that have already taken place....of course) and voila they've bought public opinion by appealing to our base predjudices. Meanwhile the bankers continue paying out their bonuses with money given to them by the taxpayer to 'bail them out'. There's nothing new in this world is there!:rotfl:

The Government wants you to believe there is no alternative solution and of course so many of us are only too happy to be convinced because we have swallowed their commentary 'hook line and sinker' and of course some of us are untouched/retired and our investments already safe so we can shout as loud as we like from the sidelines! Of course it doesn't have to be this way but so many are going to have to suffer before that is realised.

Think you are missing the point.

As a taxpayer, I do not see why I should be paying for someone elses very generous pension that I do not have access to myself. If you want a high pension you should be funding it out of your own pocket.

cyclonebri1

ILW wrote: »

Think you are missing the point.

As a taxpayer, I do not see why I should be paying for someone elses very generous pension that I do not have access to myself. If you want a high pension you should be funding it out of your own pocket.

:T:T:T

And that is the point that the public sector refuse to see.

What the hell, lets all us older 'uns go on strike because we have to bail out the irresponsible youth that live on borrowed money.

We all have grouses but, we, the public, cannot afford to pay public sector pensions as ours have evapourated, is that too difficult to understand????


It's time to get your hands in your pockets rather than mine to fund your retirements


What was the old adage?,.... "never a lender or borrower be" ?

It's sadly where the country went wrong from the early 80's on.

Spend spend spend,??? ................t.w.a.t.s,

jackyann

I was brought up to be ethical and have tried to be so all of my life. Part of that was that I should both volunteer, and do a job that was regarded as "service to the community".
I became a nurse, and worked in difficult situations, with distressed people, and did unpaid overtime.
I know very little about money, other than living within my means.
I took what society deemed was a suitable salary (which, when I was a senior nurse was exactly what Price Waterhouse Cooper paid the 18-19 year old friend of our family that they took for a gap year). I paid what was requested for my pension, tax & NI.
I haven't the first clue what I could have earned in the private sector (other than as a private nurse)

I have said on another thread that I am fed up with being blamed, fed up with people thinking I have had a cushy job. My final salary: 40 years of experience and training being constantly updated, still doing clinical work, was £32k approx. I still don't know if that was fair or not, or whether the pension I receive is or not, and I suspect most of you don't either.