Public sector wellcome to the real world

cyclonebri1

paparossco wrote: »

Oops that won't work the nukes are based in Scotland :rotfl::rotfl:

Burgger , I think we got it wrong again Dave,

Moby

atush wrote: »

I have two things to say, 26K is above the nat avg salary so therefor cannot be 'poverty' wages. And if you like your brothers package, join his firm.

Otherwise if you like your current job, keep at it and we thank you. but don't expect any of us to sympathise with you if you strike. Not when your union bosses are raking it in, and getting pension deals 5 times better than what they would get in the private sector.

I am sorry that the previous goverment ruined the economy and set nothing aside when times were good. But we are all paying the piper now, so we are all in the same boat.

Where would we be without the Daily Mail readership giving their little spin on reality...also presuming to speak for everybody.

This Governments attack on working people has just started. This will include a dismantling of working conditions and employee terms and conditions of contract under the guise of reducing the deficit. They justify changes to the pension system by saying its crucial to reducing the deficit. Its absolute nonsense! No-where is it written in tablets of stone that the deficit has to be erased within 5 years. Its a Government construct to justify policies they want to carry out regardless of the deficit!

cyclonebri1

Moby wrote: »

Where would we be without the Daily Mail readership giving their little spin on reality...also presuming to speak for everybody.

This Governments attack on working people has just started. This will include a dismantling of working conditions and employee terms and conditions of contract under the guise of reducing the deficit. They justify changes to the pension system by saying its crucial to reducing the deficit. Its absolute nonsense! No-where is it written in tablets of stone that the deficit has to be erased within 5 years. Its a Government construct to justify policies they want to carry out regardless of the deficit!

Unfortunately every government for the last 20 years, yes, post Thatcher, has run sh*te scared of offending the small peeps they made believe were important.

At last reality has struck. Industry found this out when the Chinese came to play, 15 years ago, we were hit then.

The public sector have been shielded since, but finally the Gov/Torries realise it has to be paid for.

Again, welcome to the real world, (not only in pensions), public workers.

Do you really expect much support and sympathy from the rest of us that have been subject to this crap for year on year? , And yes, I am a small "peep"

Old_Slaphead

Moby wrote: »

This Governments attack on working people has just started. This will include a dismantling of working conditions and employee terms and conditions of contract under the guise of reducing the deficit. They justify changes to the pension system by saying its crucial to reducing the deficit. Its absolute nonsense! No-where is it written in tablets of stone that the deficit has to be erased within 5 years. Its a Government construct to justify policies they want to carry out regardless of the deficit!

Hear, hear comrade.

Let's keep on spending and leave it to the younger generation to pick up the tab.

cyclonebri1

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

Hear, hear comrade.

Let's keep on spending and leave it to the younger generation to pick up the tab.

I've thanked you because I think you see the total eyewash in that previous post, I'd slap you on the head anyday wingman, :D:D:D

Thicko2

Old_Slaphead wrote: »

Hear, hear comrade.

Let's keep on spending and leave it to the younger generation to pick up the tab.

Read the Huttion report and NAO report, % GDP on public sector pensions, especially the NHS, LGPS are actually falling over the next 50 years.

Koicarp

1.9% down to 1.4% without any changes to current pension arrangements according to Hutton.

Thicko2

Yes Koicarp. I really wish people would understand the facts.

I think one of the major unintended consequences of the increased contributions (public sector defecit reduction tax) as currently proposed will be a lower take up of the pension schemes.

Due to the pay as you go methodology, particularly in the fire service, police, NHS etc it will lead to a mass exodus. 2 years of pay freezes, inflation running at 5%, child tax credit cuts, child benefit cuts, people wont simply be able to afford it.

Governement expectation is a 1% fall in membership, i think they are massively underestimating the potential. Family budgets are simply too tight now.

Ironically such an action will lead to greater unaffordability in public sector pensions. Be prepared for wave 2 of they are simply unaffordable right wing proproganda.

StevieJ

dunstonh wrote: »

Unions almost destroyed the country in 60s and 70s. Now they are up for another go at it.

Using phrases like that which are patently untrue and not even close in similarity is disgraceful.

Strange but since the Unions were neutered by Maggie the average workers lot sure has deteriorated, could be just coincidence though.

WhiteHorse

StevieJ wrote: »

Strange but since the Unions were neutered by Maggie ...

Thatcher was a monster, to be sure, but she was also partly the creation of the unions themselves.

If you had seen, as I did, hospitals being picketed by gangs of pickaxe handle wielding thugs, you would have been in no doubt that the unions needed to be curbed.