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Car tyres
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Nangkangs are called ditchfinders for a reason, google away.
budget tires are a false economy one day you might be paying with your life, is your life worth the purple note saved opting for budget?
Nonsense. Nankang *used* to be referred to as ditchfinders (and indeed the "Star Performer" budget-Nankangs still are). The NS2 however is a respectable low-cost tyre. In my experience they match eco-tyres from the premium manufacturers for grip (and exceed the like of the P6000 which is a pretty poor tyre), and last well as well.
Before you start mouthing off perhaps you should get your facts straight first. I am not suggesting that the OP buy the cheapest of the cheap.0 -
You can be driving perfectly sensibly until one day someone decides to barrel through a red light at the T-junction you are using and you have to do an emergency stop.
The improved stopping distance could be the difference between getting T-boned or stopping out of their way. Sure the accident will be the other person's fault, but they probably don't have insurance and even if they do your insurance will go up for 5 years and the back and neck pain could last for a lifetime.
From the rest of the post I take you drive a lot and like the control of better rubber. No probs with that.
I know a lot of people who like better golf balls for the same reason.
The issue in para 1 above is going to happen anyway as is the latter part of para 2.
The time to actually hit the brakes, the quality of the braking system and ability to control that braking is just as much of an issue as the tyres is it not. They are part of the equation not the answer in themselves."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »From the rest of the post I take you drive a lot and like the control of better rubber. No probs with that.
I know a lot of people who like better golf balls for the same reason.
The issue in para 1 above is going to happen anyway as is the latter part of para 2.
The time to actually hit the brakes, the quality of the braking system and ability to control that braking is just as much of an issue as the tyres is it not. They are part of the equation not the answer in themselves.
Yes but all things equal- same car, same reaction then some budget rubber will see you stopping longer than a good tyre. Yes there are fairly decent budget to mid-range brands (Maxxis isn't bad) but I prefer to go for one of the mid-range brands. The difference is very often less than £10 and the tyres are usually a bit better.0 -
flyingscotno1 wrote: »Yes but all things equal- same car, same reaction then some budget rubber will see you stopping longer than a good tyre. Yes there are fairly decent budget to mid-range brands (Maxxis isn't bad) but I prefer to go for one of the mid-range brands. The difference is very often less than £10 and the tyres are usually a bit better.
I just not so certain that extra length on its own is the crux. There are just so many factors involved. If you drive at the limit and this is your last safety mechanism different story.
I'm not advocating the cheapest and would certainly look upwards as you say."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
It's not a case of driving at the limit. In an emergency braking situation, you have the thinking distance and the braking distance, add them together to get the overall stopping distance.
Sure the better tyres will only reduce the braking distance, but that's still a reduction to the overall stopping distance. Just 2 meters could make all the difference in the right circumstances.
In the wet the difference is even more pronounced.
The fact that they're also more fun is a bonus. On the Mondeo I don't really care about the fun factor as there isn't any, but I do appreciate the extra grip and improved braking. I can't wait until the Michelins that are still on the rear wear out so that I can get some Dunlops put on there too.0 -
Not sure if was ever adopted but this was from 1997:-
As soon as this work on grip is completed by the United Nations working party, the Commission will be in a position to transpose the results into Directive 92/23/EEC in order to establish the right balance between
- grip on a dry and wet surface (safety),
- noise (noise pollution) and
- rolling resistance (fuel consumption).
Loads more stuff on EU legislation on tyres so I guess "some body" made a decision on safety parameter before sale or then again perhaps it is till being consulted on:eek:"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
grizzly1911 wrote: »I just not so certain that extra length on its own is the crux. There are just so many factors involved. If you drive at the limit and this is your last safety mechanism different story.
I'm not advocating the cheapest and would certainly look upwards as you say.
I don't quite follow- I kind of get what you are saying but just a little confused! I mean lets take a regular stop at the lights that change in front of you rather than 'on the limit' driving. If tyre A stops better it is less pressure on brake components and less pressure on the brake pedal than tyre B which stops worse. That means pads and discs will last a wee bit longer.
Worth mentioning on the Nankang debate that they stopped fairly well in the tests- 2 or 3m more than a Continental but still 7m before a Wanli or Linglong0 -
flyingscotno1 wrote: »If tyre A stops better it is less pressure on brake components and less pressure on the brake pedal than tyre B which stops worse. That means pads and discs will last a wee bit longer.
Totally accept your rationale.
I am just saying how often do most people go round standing on their brakes to really notice the difference. it should be by exception;)
In that moment of madness I fully accept that an extra metre or two could have devastating effects. If we engineered everything for the worst case scenario I guess we would all be driving Volvo's."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Sure the better tyres will only reduce the braking distance, but that's still a reduction to the overall stopping distance. Just 2 meters could make all the difference in the right circumstances.
If you're going to start worrying about 2 metres that is the road to insanity IMO. For example, I have noticed that the Toyo T1Rs I have on my car do not grip as well now in the wet with 5mm of tread as they did when new.
This is to be expected. The overall stopping distance is most likely only a couple of metres longer than when the tyres were new -- but if we accept that the Nankang budget tyres take 2m longer to stop than Continentals when new, then the tyres I have on my car now are equivalent to brand new Nankangs, no?
Where does this stop? I am an advocate of changing when a tyre reaches 3mm or so, but buying the very best tyre and replacing it at 5mm? That's taking things to extremes, yet it's the logical conclusion of what you're saying.
There are a few tyres at the very top of the pile that stick to the road like glue (and not all are expensive -- the aforementioned T1Rs for istance). There are a few at the very bottom that are pretty disastrous (Fullrun, Durun etc). The rest are all much of a muchness IMO, and there is little reason to buy a typical "premium" tyre such as a Pirelli P7 over a much cheaper Maxxis, Falken or, yes, Nankang NS2 in my experience.0 -
Jase1 very good argument wish I had thought of putting that way.
Sorry to bang on but we so often hear subjective testosterone filled debate on these forums without concentrating on the real question and validating what is said IMO.:)"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0
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