Car Purchase- Where do we and car Sales stand here? pls help!

davidmaiden18183

Thanks for the second viewpoint visidigi

I can confirm there is no finance agreement. And the full outstanding value of the car is being paid on collection. We were told this wouldn't matter whether we were part exchanging on not to offerer the value. Now they are saying otherwise.

I can't help but feel they realize they want the car to part exchange and make more profit and are spinning us a line.

How can they (and they are adamant) already have signed a legally binding document with a buyer for my mums car that was potentially going to be part exchanged? Is that even possible as part of the sale of good act.

I don't think they can posses the goods to offer it to someone else until our deal was complete.

They are really pushing's us hard here but I am not sure if they have any power over us.

visidigi

I highly doubt they do - well notbeyond you losing out on the £300 deposit - the way to check is find another garage on the same brand (e.g. if its a toyota for example, find another toyota dealer near) give them a call, ask they what offers they have, see if they will match the dealer you already paid a deposit with - see what the trade is they offer you...if its massively higher then you know the first one is trying it on...and that there is enough liquidity in the part ex to walk away from the £300 at the other dealer.

If its similar money then I would still be weary - have they taken any pictures of the car you're part exing or anything like that? They may have sold it on to a trader as unseen - if that's the case, the part ex value is way out...failing that,t he dealer is getting it for his wife and the risk of not getting it ain't worth getting his ear chewed off when he gets home

Phils_debt

They are trying it on with your mother ,like said above what if it was involved in an accident got stolen or something mechanical happened to it ,it is still your mothers car until she signs the log book over to them .
Also i have never lost a deposit from any garage as they cannot keep it ,i know a few car salesman and they are not allowed so you should get the £300 back if you decided your mother didnt want to deal with them


Arnold clarke are renowned for being pushy and overpriced too

hcb42

they are not the best garage....

you paid the list price for a car, and are paying cash, plus trade in, so there is no real loss to the garage (apart from loss of potential profit, but that is life, you could have walked in there with £9K in cash.

What kind of car is it..what year..?

As an aside, I am always ultra cautious of garages and trade in after hearing a salutory tale including whether or not the tax disc was included....they take all this into account in their margins.

davidmaiden18183

Unfortunately I think they will probably have us over a barrel because my. Mum has signed to buy the new car and part exchange the old, even thought they said we could change this to just full value (but they have now gone back on that)

In contract terms I am pretty sure they have got us ovthaw barrel and can hold the £300 deposit to ransom. I still feel that regardless of what this contract or agreement might say we are etitled to challenge it, and claim it has been miss sold and we have been misadvised (and we have 4 people who can testament to that) I'm still not sure if that alone is reasonable enough grounds to challenge a contract/agreement or if we even can. What do you think?

Unfortunately until I have hard fact that they legally can not/or are allowed to sell on my mums old car until our part exchange is complete then I haven't got an angle with them. They are being hard nose because of that imply that their hands are tied. If they have done that in the wrong it's their fault and they then would have no obligations that would stop them allowing us a straight purchase of the new car.


The terms an conditions say "the goods should remain the property of the seller until the price has been disbarred in full" - this is obviously for the seller.

This protect them, but where am I ever going to find in writing the same sentence but in respect to the buyers part ex vehicle. It's not something you see in their terms and conditions. But a seller selling on something they down own/posses yet may be down in sale of goods acts somewhere.

davidmaiden18183

hcb42 wrote: »

they are not the best garage....

you paid the list price for a car, and are paying cash, plus trade in, so there is no real loss to the garage (apart from loss of potential profit, but that is life, you could have walked in there with £9K in cash.

What kind of car is it..what year..?

As an aside, I am always ultra cautious of garages and trade in after hearing a salutory tale including whether or not the tax disc was included....they take all this into account in their margins.

It's a 2009 vauxhall corsa, the part ex is a 2005 vauxhall astra.

To be fair they have given us a fair price on the astra of £2500,as Its little below average condition at 50000 miles- you would still expect near £3500 for it in a private sale.

They did say the trade in valuation was non-negotiable, they first offered £1800, we told them no sale they were way off, they came back and said sorry we have mis valued it a little and went £2500 a how do you mis value a car by £800. clearly they were trying to take us for suckers!

Flyboy152

easyhost wrote: »

yes, you've paid the deposit, so the car is promised to them as part of the deposit when the new car is ready to be collected,

so the window price of £8995 will be reduced to £6195.

if you look in local papers at car dealers ads sometimes you will see * arriving soon * this is what it refers to cars promised to the dealer as ptx

What????????????

davidmaiden18183

Phils_debt wrote: »

They are trying it on with your mother ,like said above what if it was involved in an accident got stolen or something mechanical happened to it ,it is still your mothers car until she signs the log book over to them .
Also i have never lost a deposit from any garage as they cannot keep it ,i know a few car salesman and they are not allowed so you should get the £300 back if you decided your mother didnt want to deal with them


Arnold clarke are renowned for being pushy and overpriced too

How could we expect to get the £300 back?

As above, the way I am going to get round this issue if I can prove they can not sell my mums vehicle, in which case there apparent deal with it's new buyer is invalid. And they need to sort, in which case they have no obstacles with just selling the car to my mum at it's full value- other than if they wanted to push us because she had signed to sell asa part exchange

Flyboy152

davidmaiden18183 wrote: »

I've just spoke to the garage and they still seem to claim that we are legally binded to give them my mums car as part exchange and that they are fully entitled to sell the car that they expect part exchanged even before we have completed the deal and handed the car over.

It just doesn't sound right.

Go tell them to take a run and jump. They can't sell something they don't own. Get your deposit back and go somewhere else.

What are the model and variants of the cars being part exchanged and purchased, what are the registration dates and mileages?

Flyboy152

visidigi wrote: »

They are entitled to offer it for sale, with an expected delivery date and they could take a deposit on it I guess, but that would be taken with a number of understandings in place that the deal may not complete if the car is no longer for sale or significantly not as described.

It sounds to me like the dealer has lined up the profit in the sale in the trade in and without it its not cost effective.

I would look into the numbers, if needed look into seeing if its still worth your time to lose out on the £300 deposit - it sounds like the cars worth a pretty profit over the offered trade in value...

Aah well, that's their problem.