Child bed wetting - How to deal with it ?

jackieb

keys wrote: »

Yes the bed is quite high has 4 steps - A bit of a long story but - It came with the house { brand new } and everything in her room is stored inside it basically , all toys etc . She LOVES it still though and shows everyone who visits the house - including the window cleaner lol !! :rotfl:

She seems to go up and down the ladders with no problem throughout the daytime . And when asked about the steps / height etc she seems fine about it .
The odd time she has slept in my bed she does it then aswell now so im still confused !!

We have a bedtime routine where as she calls it { carry me like a baby !! } to bed and I used to place her in bed after the toilet - now I just carry her and she walks up the steps for the last few weeks incase that was the reason !!

I will google kylie sheets now thanks - as I do not really want to be buying another new mattress just yet - and the protectors ive been using only seem to last about 6 weeks really .

I've had this protector for over 2 years.

These are the items i'm talking about. This wasn't the site I ordered mine from as I can't seem to find it. The mattress protector is the green fully encapsulating one for £24.90. If you get the kylie pads you don't add fabric conditioner when you wash them or they lose their absorbency. http://www.intermedicaldirect.com/brands/Intermedical/2295917137

Felicity

asbokid wrote: »

I know that things are perhaps different for children, but when our dog kept wetting around the house, the vet told us to rub his nose in it. It seemed a bit cruel at first, but it worked.

Also there are remote-controlled devices that you can use to startle an errant hound. These work through the application of mild electric shocks to the skin, or through the release of pungent vapours.

Clinicians sometimes prescribe psychiatric drugs to treat enuresis in children, but these medications can cause neurological damage to a developing brain.

I have a friend whose daughter is now on the schizoaffective-autistic spectrum after she reacted badly to an SSRI that was prescribed briefly for bed wetting. Be warned.

Bless, you are not a parent then? Dogs are a little bit different to children.

Felicity

OP, I think you have thought things out loud and you know the solution ... it seems to be the bed.

You need to find a way of working around it. You might have to take the hit and find a better sleeping solution. A good nights sleep is everything for children at this age.

Good luck

keys_2

Felicity : Thnaks for your advise ...I think I will try her on the airbed first and she how she goes at that

JackieB ; Thanks for the link hun ..I will also shop about for the other bits

Asbo kid : Thanks for your advise too .. I will never rub my daughters nose in anything like that :eek:

asbokid

I just checked.. My friend's daughter was prescribed imipramine for a "!!!!!! bladder", i.e. bed wetting. Imipramine is a tricyclic antidepressant rather than an SSRI.

The girl had a "rare" adverse reaction to the drug, became psychotic, spent many months in a mental hospital and has never been the same since. She was a first grader in school but is profoundly autistic today. Tends to stare now, occasionally giggles but rarely talks. Wouldn't wish that on any one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imipramine

EDIT: Note that even Wikipedia acknowledges that 25% of patients will become manic or hypomanic from imipramine. The statistics are probably even higher for youngsters, who are prescribed imipramine for bed-wetting.

Imipramine and the tricyclics are old drugs and their risks have been known about for nigh on 50 years, but that hasn't stopped quacks from taking risks with them.

Don't worry, your kid will soon grow out of it as she becomes more aware. Be cautious of medical interventions in the meantime.

asbokid

What link? The Wikipedia entry for imipramine?

The online encyclopedia acknowledges the use of imipamine in the treatment of enuresis (bed-wetting) and adds a caveat that the drug commonly causes neuropsychiatric problems in as many as 25% of patients who take it..

From the wikipedia link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imipramine

"Imipramine is mainly used in the treatment of major depression and enuresis (inability to control urination)....Imipramine is known to cause a high rate of manic and hypomanic reactions..

The other two pharmacological treatments indicated for enuresis are desmopressin and the anti-spasmodic, Ditropan.

However, those drugs, too, are not without risk. The following caution was issued by the US FDA for desmopressin nasal spray:

"Children treated with desmopressin intranasal formulations for primary nocturnal enuresis (PNE) are particularly susceptible to severe hyponatremia and seizures."

The British National Formulary (BNF) cautions that desmopressin acetate tablets should only be used for primary nocturnal enuresis in over 5 years (preferably over 7 years), and the BNF for Children indicates the use of Ditropan for nocturnal enuresis only in those aged over 7 years.

I wouldn't want to risk any of those drugs on my children, not even the boys. Bed-wetting isn't in any way life-threatening.

http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/PostmarketDrugSafetyInformationforPatientsandProviders/ucm107924.htm
http://bnf.org/bnf/bnf/current/4431.htm
http://bnfc.org/bnfc/bnfc/current/61077.htm

jim22

yes, dogs noses are best rubbed in it. It does work!

pinkclouds

keys wrote: »

The link has nothing to do with bed wetting !!

OP, I think asbokid is, perhaps a trifle clumsily, trying to show their support and urging you to avoid extreme measures. Well intentioned but also unnecessary. I think you are already aware that occasional bed-wetting is totally normal in young kids and that you are not going to rush off to your pediatrician for a ton of pills.

I expect asbokid is projecting some of their feelings and experiences onto the OP and that this is causing the confusion. You are both actually singing from the same sheet - just using different languages.

pigpen

Bedwetting up to the age of 7 is not classed as a problem.. even after a period of being dry at night.. so if you see the dr or school nurse or anyone they will say come back when she is 7.. though they may test for UTI in the meantime.. it is possible to have a UTI be fine during the day and not have any pain on urinating..

If it is every night put her in a pullup!! While you might not like using them do you like changing the bedding daily and buying a new mattress every few weeks? that extra bit of reassurance for her and also preventing her getting sore must be a priority. I don't like them but my 10 y/o NEEDS them.

Once she is 7 she can be referred to bedwetting/enuretic clinic and they will look at ways to help.. alarms work for some, medication for others (they try desmopressin first which reduces the amount of urine produced at night andn it is probably not applicable to her as she is ok during the dayn but oxybutynin is used to stop the bladder being irritable and releasing urine when it is not full.)

Lifting her in the night is training her to wet in the night.. that is the first thing they tell you to stop at the clinic.

Citrus/acidic juices.. orange, blackcurrant, lemon, lime, fizzy pop.. is all banned! and 7x250ml of clear fluids are to be drunk to increase bladder capacity.. between getting up and 6pm.

Before bed do 2 wees... do a wee, have a story/brush teeth, get pj's have another wee and get in bed.

HTH

Britwife

We had something similar with my now nearly 6 year old. He was night time trained for nearly a year and then our daughter was born. He regressed. It was quite stressful and there were lots of laundry to wash which made it worse. We did choose to put him back in pullups because it relieved alot of the stress. It was the best decision we ever made. We were all happy...he never got yelled at for wetting the bed but he knew I wasn't happy.

It took some time but each month, he wet less and less. I don't feel that we stepped back by going into pullups because for us, it worked and I would do it again. There is no need to push the issue nor is there any need to stress.

It's obvious that her new bed has changed things and she will get used to it and she will start getting up to go potty. Do you have a nightlight somewhere for her to see at night?

It's best to just pick what is easiest and less stressing on all of you. You can buy cloth training pants that at least feel like knickers. I just bought some for my daughter when we start training her.

Wish you all the best.