going abroad and signing on question

dickydonkin

But that's where you are confused, you are getting JSA not because you are unemployed but because you are looking for a job.

We are splitting hairs here. I accept that to receive [STRIKE]unemployment benefit [/STRIKE] sorry - jobseekers allowance, one has to be actively seeking work - I gave an example earlier where I applied for two jobs, searched various recruitment websites and virtually did everything 6,000 miles away from home, however, I was not entitled to jsa because I was overseas.

If I did all of the above in a week at home - I would have received my benefit.

The comparisons I used was to highlight how some could perceive unfairness in the way unemployed people are not paid jsa whilst abroad when other benefit claimants are.

You have looked too deeply into the examples as opposed to the principle.

ferien_uk2011

dickydonkin wrote: »

I am fully aware that JSA is not an entitlement when outside of the UK - despite I and many others who do or did go abroad when they were/are unemployed and searched for jobs by the internet when they were away - so technically they were jobseeking.

But if somebody called you up and invited you to an interview the next day, you wouldn't probably be able to make it. It's not just about jobseeking, it's about being available for work (and interviews) for the period you are claiming.

I'm just using this to demonstrate why you shouldn't get paid JSA whilst abroad, not to suggest that people on JSA shouldn't be allowed holidays.

dickydonkin

ferien_uk2011 wrote: »

But if somebody called you up and invited you to an interview the next day, you wouldn't probably be able to make it. It's not just about jobseeking, it's about being available for work (and interviews) for the period you are claiming.

I suspect that somebody from the north of Scotland holidaying in Cornwall would have just as much difficulty getting home the next day as if they were holidaying in France - the only difference being that they would receive jsa for being in Cornwall but nothing for being in mainland europe.

I'm just using this to demonstrate why you shouldn't get paid JSA whilst abroad, not to suggest that people on JSA should be allowed holidays.

Which is a valid point of course as already demonstrated in this thread - but it is very unlikely (not impossible though) that by applying for a job on a website where closing dates are defined, that you will be asked to attend an interview the following day bearing in mind applications need to be sifted and interviews arranged.

I appreciate where an agency has a client that requires someone very quickly then that situation will certainly arise, however, for the jobs I was applying for, that scenario would be unlikely to occur.

Looking at it from the other side of the coin however (and this actually happened to me), I applied for a job when I was at home and obviously entitled to my jsa, however, I was in Asia for three weeks (unable to claim jsa) and my daughter emailed me to inform me I had been selected for interview 3 days before we were due to return home.

Obviously, I had to contact the employer and unfortunately they just would not reschedule my interview (which was fully understandable).

So - It could have turned out I got a job I applied for when overseas but was back home when the interviews were taking place or as my example highlighted - I applied for a job at home when I was receiving jsa - but was unable to attend the interview because I was overseas at the time.

Would I be able to reclaim my jsa because I got a job due to seeking employment when I was abroad - or should I repay a weeks jsa for the week I applied for the job when I was in the UK and I was unable to attend the interview due to being on holiday?

FBaby

ferien_uk2011 wrote: »

But if somebody called you up and invited you to an interview the next day, you wouldn't probably be able to make it. It's not just about jobseeking, it's about being available for work (and interviews) for the period you are claiming.

I'm just using this to demonstrate why you shouldn't get paid JSA whilst abroad, not to suggest that people on JSA should be allowed holidays.

Indeed, and looking 5 minutes each day on a website to see if there are jobs is not considered active job searching either.

hcb42

FBaby wrote: »

To quality for JSA, you have to be looking for and be available to start a job. Those are the conditions. If you are abroad, you can't start a new job end of it. As for those going on holiday during that time, that is their business how they are funding it, but it is indeed absolutely right that they should not receive JSA for that period.

this bit has never been in question from the OP. I dont understand why people (not you, just an appropriate quote) can state that people who are on JSA cannot go abroad and have got on their high horses over this. You can be on JSA and have £100K in the bank - just like you could get child benefit if you were a millionaire. What has never been asked in this thread is can people go away and still get JSA. They can't. So no one is "paying" them to go on holiday.

dickydonkin

Strider590 wrote: »

Nothing that can't solved with a large headsized bucket of sand. Works for everyone else :rotfl:

You are not suggesting you have a large head are you .

hcb42

bendix wrote: »

You do know what JSA stands for, right?

Of course the same doesnt apply.

See below, couldnt have answered it any better myself.

dickydonkin wrote: »

Hang on a minute bendix - please re-evaluate your earlier quote:



The above quote appears to generalise ALL benefits as you did not stipulate JSA or any other for that matter.

So - are you now suggesting that those who are just on JSA should not travel overseas? - despite claimants not being entitled to such a benefit when they travel abroad - but it is OK for other benefit recipients to travel? (I have no issues whatsoever with that by the way).

I am fully aware that JSA is not an entitlement when outside of the UK - despite I and many others who do or did go abroad when they were/are unemployed and searched for jobs by the internet when they were away - so technically they were jobseeking.

Strider590

FBaby wrote: »

Indeed, and looking 5 minutes each day on a website to see if there are jobs is not considered active job searching either.

What would you consider "active job searching"?

Time's have changed....
Whether its searching a useless job website or looking up, cherry picking and researching companies that might have the sort of work your suited to. The internet IS the primary source for job searching, nothing else even comes close.
Wandering down the high street knocking on doors could take half a day and reap next to no results, but I could search and apply for 10-50 jobs online during that time... So which is a waste of time?

ferien_uk2011

dickydonkin wrote: »

Which is a valid point of course as already demonstrated in this thread - but it is very unlikely (not impossible though) that by applying for a job on a website where closing dates are defined, that you will be asked to attend an interview the following day bearing in mind applications need to be sifted and interviews arranged.

Whilst I agree this is unlikely, it did happen to me a couple of times last week, and I had to attend an interview the next day.

Also, a company would not be happy if they call you about a job to then discover the fact that you were abroad when you took the call after their phone bill comes in!

dickydonkin

FBaby wrote: »

Indeed, and looking 5 minutes each day on a website to see if there are jobs is not considered active job searching either.

You are assuming that people only search for 5 minutes which is a general assertion and incorrect in most cases I suspect.

Furthermore, irrespective of what you think, the reality is that to satisfy a jobseekers agreement, a jobseeker only has to contact two employers per week and list what other efforts were made such as reading job sites in newspapers or browsing the myriad of websites that are available online.

That was certainly the case a couple of years ago and as far as I am aware, that is still the case.

All of the above criteria stipulated in a jobseekers agreement can be fulfilled very easily abroad - although being actually available for an immediate start will at best be problemetic - but that situation can also arise when holidaying in the UK as well.

Whilst I agree this is unlikely, it did happen to me a couple of times last week, and I had to attend an interview the next day.

Also, a company would not be happy if they call you about a job to then discover the fact that you were abroad when you took the call after their phone bill comes in!

ferien - You are proof that it does happen, although I wonder if it was an agency - which in that case, I would hardly lose any sleep over them incurring hefty telephone charges if they attempted to contact me by phone when I am on distant shores!