Car owner won't agree to become keeper

lowflyer

I'm trying to find out what the registered keeper of a car can do when the owner won't agree the transfer of the keeper to them.
I've seen plenty of examples where the keeper won't agree to transfer the car to the legal owner, but can't see an example of the other way round.
Can anything be done?

Tilt

Not sure I understand what your question is or the reason you pose it. The RK is the person responsible for the vehicle as far as the RTA is concerned. That person does not have to be the legal owner or even the driver.

Strider590

Owner/Keeper = same thing

Doesn't matter who paid for it, the V5 is the legal binding contract.

gonzo127

i always thought the registared keeper was the owner, unless you are meaning user/driver instead of owner.

i guess going on the above asumption that the person who uses the car will not give the car back to the registared keeper then i expect the registared keeper could (if they want to be nasty) report the car as stolen to the police and get the user nicked for theft and so the car returned to the RK

and i do hope this isnt linked to the other thread to which i have also responded

Tilt

Strider590 wrote: »

Owner/Keeper = same thing

Doesn't matter who paid for it, the V5 is the legal binding contract.

Not necessarily

oldagetraveller

Strider590 wrote: »

Owner/Keeper = same thing

Surely not?
My late F I L's car at the time of his death was left to me in his will. Until Grant of Probate the car is still owned by his estate even though I am now the registered keeper.
The V5C must also be incorrect by your reasoning? In big letters on the front it states "THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT PROOF OF OWNERSHIP. It shows who is responsible for registering and taxing the vehicle".

BlueSprint

I think I understand your question.

As the seller of a vehicle, you now have a legal obligation to inform DVLA.

direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_4022311

You must notify the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) immediately of the exact date of sale or transfer of your vehicle using the registration document or certificate. You and the buyer should follow the procedures correctly or you will remain liable for the vehicle until DVLA records have been updated.


If you don't have a registration certificate you can still tell DVLA that you no longer have the vehicle.To do this you will need to write to DVLA, Swansea, SA99 1AR giving the:

• vehicle registration mark
• make and model
• exact date of sale
• name and address of the new keeper

However, note that DVLA records won’t be complete until the new keeper tells DVLA in writing. Until they do, the police may need to contact you if they have to make enquiries about the vehicle.


I think if I were you and the new owner of the vehicle refused to give details for you to notify DVLA (they could of course give you completely false details and you are not obliged to check), you can either 1) Not sell them the car, or 2) Inform DVLA that the new keeper refused details.



How you would get on long term if the new keeper didn't pay VEL etc, is difficult to tell, but there are many vehciles on DVLA database with a marker "No current keeper".

lowflyer

Situation is that a friend (really) was bought a car a couple of years ago. The person buying the car has a receipt stating that he is the owner, price, and date of purchase, etc - it was a private purchase.
The registration document was sent to the DVLA with my friend as the registered keeper.
The problem has arisen because my friend has given the car back, and asked that the keeper be changed, but the owner will not agree to have the DVLA registration document changed to their name.

wealdroam

lowflyer wrote: »

...the owner will not agree to have the DVLA registration document changed to their name.

Why not?...

vikingaero

Strider590 wrote: »

Owner/Keeper = same thing

Doesn't matter who paid for it, the V5 is the legal binding contract.

Sorry but that is so wrong. It even states on the V5C that the RK may not be the legal owner.

You may have a situation where the legal owner is a finance company and the RK is normally the person responsible for the operation of the vehicle along with fines etc.

Mark_Hewitt

Strider590 wrote: »

Owner/Keeper = same thing

Doesn't matter who paid for it, the V5 is the legal binding contract.

Absolutely, completely, totally, 100% WRONG.