Kia Picanto problem.

L.S.D.

ffacoffipawb wrote: »

Trade it in for a car without this problem? I know I would, if I could afford it, after putting up with this for several months.

Not "moneysaving" but probably "sanitysaving".

Lol. That's gone through our thoughts a lot.

s_b

it would seem to me you are leading people by your own diagnosis
take this car to a garage other than main dealer and pedros
go in explain car not running right and you are clueless
let them do basic diagnostic tests
and use their common sense

let them tell you the problem:)

L.S.D.

s_b wrote: »

it would seem to me you are leading people by your own diagnosis
take this car to a garage other than main dealer and pedros
go in explain car not running right and you are clueless
let them do basic diagnostic tests
and use their common sense

let them tell you the problem:)

What you have suggested has already been done.
This car now owes us money big time. I have thrown good money after bad believing that just the type of garage you talk of, & the mobile mechanic were correct. They have a diagnostic machine. The garage who sold us the car who sugested it could be the Lambda sensor should have fitted one & we would know. It's our belief that he knew it was a recall job & was trying to get rid by feeding us !!!!!!!! about the Lambda sensor. How was I to know several weeks after he sold us the car that it would become an issue. If the Lambda sensor is giving out incorrect details then surly if it is disconnected then it can't be giving out false information & so (in theory) the engine should work properly. I would just like to know from those that have tried this or are in the know, if that is so. How do I know that taking the car to yet another garage, that they will be any better than the ones I have already tried & thrown hundreds & hundreds of pounds to. No garage will do things for nothing & I may go through all the crap I have already gone through with a lighter wallet yet again. Over the internet it seems that the year my car was made they had fitted some incorrect bolts in or around the crankshaft, that wear down & cause the very problem I am having. I am going to the main dealer on Monday to check if this recall has been done & hopefully to have yet another diagnostic test done. In the meantime if anyone can help us in any way by answering my questions then it may save us a lot of problems.

I am not clueless, I used to do my own maintenance on my cars around 30 years ago, but now Engine Management is on all new cars I have no idea about what they can do, but I am learning fast.

L.S.D.

One thing I would like to know, if someone can answer it. How would a compression test help? For instance last time we were here, when the battery was disconnected & left disconnected for a while then reconnected the management light went off, & the engine worked perfectly. If the fault was to do with compression then the fault would surly still be there & the engine run poorly/ but it didn't, it always ran perfectly afterwards. Can someone please explain?

gilbert_and_sullivan

L.S.D. wrote: »

One thing I would like to know, if someone can answer it. How would a compression test help? For instance last time we were here, when the battery was disconnected & left disconnected for a while then reconnected the management light went off, & the engine worked perfectly. If the fault was to do with compression then the fault would surly still be there & the engine run poorly/ but it didn't, it always ran perfectly afterwards. Can someone please explain?

I'm like you LSD, perfectly capable of diagnosing stripping and overhauling older cars, but at a complete loss of how to diagnose and fix this new stuff, but also at a loss as to why things need to be so damned complicated now (apart from kerching), and especially why a gulllible car buying public have fallen for it all and think the extras and electronics are a good thing.

The compression test suggestion i do understand, if conducted whilst the engine is running lumpy (then again whilst it's running properly), and it seems from one of your posts that removing the plug lead from no1 cylinder had no effect, then it's eliminating the possibility of low compression being anything to do with this annoying problem on no1 cylinder.
Low compression could be caused by a valve sticking or leaking for example, unlikely but if checking the compressions shows an otherwise healthy engine on all 4 cyls then that's one possibility it can't be.

I doubt it's anything to do with compression to be honest but it's simple enough to do yourself and eliminates that possibility.

If the coil packs are identical it should be possible to swap them, then if removing no1 HT lead still produces no result should mean the coil packs are fine...doesn't mean the coil's getting the right signal though.

I tend to agree with the poster above who suggested it might be better to shift this car on before you spend another penny on it, the Kia garage sound about as much use as the proverbial chocolate fireguard, and throwing parts at a car till you eventually get the right bit could cost more than a new car, it could be the anything.

L.S.D.

OK. Nearly €40-00 lighter. The compression test is perfect, in fact his words 'above average'.
Management Diagnosis...

PO 261 Cylinder 1 injector circuit low.
PO 301 Cylinder 1 misfire detected.

The mechanic says that's as far as he can go & I would need an Auto Electrical Mechanic. He had a printout of a different make of car with exactly the same fault as mine that turned out to be a lose connection.

So lighter in pocket & no nearer to finding out problem.

s_b

L.S.D. wrote: »

OK. Nearly €40-00 lighter. The compression test is perfect, in fact his words 'above average'.
Management Diagnosis...

PO 261 Cylinder 1 injector circuit low.
PO 301 Cylinder 1 misfire detected.

The mechanic says that's as far as he can go & I would need an Auto Electrical Mechanic. He had a printout of a different make of car with exactly the same fault as mine that turned out to be a lose connection.

So lighter in pocket & no nearer to finding out problem.

i remember you changed this injector assuming its a good one then for your €40 you have now ascertained that you do indeed have a problem with wiring injector plug or power control module

so its now simple enought to test the wires for continuity/breakdown/high resistance back to the supply module/ecu
i would consider finding the type of wire used and sustituting for replacement

remember you can now swap no 1 injector for another injector to see if the non run situation on that cylinder moves

by the way a multimeter connected to the injector plugs one by one would have shown this problem up to pedro if he threw away his vono bed spanners and invested in some modern tackle

see here
http://www.ohmcheck.com/fuelinjectors.htm

just confirm you dont have piezzo injectors first though as it would be dangerous
do a google to confirm

morrisoscar

My advice to you is stop throwing money at the car in the hope of fixing it. This is a known Kia Picanto fault; the crank shaft bolt which holds the pulley on works loose and causes wear to the end of the crank. This causes the timing to be out as the pulley moves when the engine is under load hence the misfire on acceleration. The only fix is a new short motor (engine rebuild) Kia know about the fault and will make a contribution to the repair if the car is out of warranty but has a full main dealer service history, however the bill is still large.

L.S.D.

morrisoscar wrote: »

My advice to you is stop throwing money at the car in the hope of fixing it. This is a known Kia Picanto fault; the crank shaft bolt which holds the pulley on works loose and causes wear to the end of the crank. This causes the timing to be out as the pulley moves when the engine is under load hence the misfire on acceleration. The only fix is a new short motor (engine rebuild) Kia know about the fault and will make a contribution to the repair if the car is out of warranty but has a full main dealer service history, however the bill is still large.

TBH I wish I was absolutely sure it was this fault. If it was I would throw everything at Kia & make them sort it out. If it's their bad build, it's their problem. My problem is doing it in Spanish. If the car was a UK car then no problem, but it's a Spanish car & I doubt Kia UK will want to know. I think my lack of Spanish would hinder me no end with the Spanish Kia. The other problem is none of the mechanics think it is that problem.

hence the misfire on acceleration.

The problem is it does it all the time, tick over, driving on a good flat road, downhill, slowing down, it's there all the time. They think it would effect more than one cylinder.
I spoke to an electrical motor mechanic today. As luck would have it he was going away in 3 hours & won't be back for 3 weeks, by then we will be back in the UK. Anyway he said (without testing) that it could be just a cable, maybe the management wants resetting or it is giving out a weak signal & it the worst come to the worst will have to go to a place in the UK to be sorted, that's where he sends them, he found the Spanish people who deal in that business to be no good.

Finally, if I sell the car on the fault will be noticed immediately so a private sale is out of the question. A garage will also notice the problem & offer us a lot less than it is worth. In Spain even bangers (working) can go for €5000-00 so to buy another car is a minefield & not cheap. Putting the clock back is rife here. Our car is in really good nick & (touch wood) should give us quite a few years trouble free motoring, if the problem was sorted. It might be cheaper to spend the €2000-00 on the rebuild than sell this at a loss & try to buy another, bearing in mind the high price of cars here etc.
The bottom line is the guy who sold the car on & lied about it's condition should be the one to bear the costs. But I doubt the courts in the UK will do anything.

L.S.D.

For those that say sell it, I got an offer over the phone of £1500-00. There is a similar Kia Picanto on our local forecourt, not quite such good condition as ours at €5500-00.