SNP Win - The Economics of D-I-V-O-R-C-E

Prudent

purch wrote: »

One piece of good news.

We could ban all talk of Scottish houseprices, on this English forum :T

I am completely perplexed as to why anyone would vote for an independent Scotland. What have we got to gain? We already enjoy all kinds of perks such as free tution, prescriptions etc. I can't even see a valid argument for the current bias.

Fearing a repeat of Ireland, I personally would seriously consider selling my house, cutting my losses and heading south of the border. I dont think there would be much to gloat about with Scottish house prices.

chris_m

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

If you want to go back in history, wasn't Mary Queen of Scot's the rightful heir to the Throne and as such the monarchy should have passed down the Scottish heritage ...

It did follow the Scottish line - James VI of Scotland was the son of Mary, Queen of Scots and inherited the Scottish crown upon her death.
When Elizabeth I of England died without an heir, he also inherited the English and Irish crown, reigning as James I of England & Ireland as well as James VI of Scotland.

The German line came about because Anne (James I/VI's great-granddaughter) also died without issue. Due to the terms of the 1701 Act of Settlement, Catholics were prohibited from inheriting the throne so the next non-Catholic in line was the Hanoverian George I, who was a descendant of the Stuarts through his maternal grandmother, Elizabeth, daughter of James I/VI.

gagahouse

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Interesting theory, however possibly missguided consideration giving the following

Scotland subsidizes the UK. Scotland's population makes up 8.6% of the UK yet raises 10.41% of ALL UK Tax revenue

Do the tax figures you gave include income taxes paid by public sector taxpayers? Isn't it possible that these figures can be distorted by disproportionate public sector employment in Scotland over England for example? Not saying that is the case, but don't you need to strip out the public sector tax contribution to answer that?

• A regional analysis of public sector employment (see Table 6) shows that London is the region
with the largest number of employees (817,000) followed by the North West (709,000), the
South East (708,000) and Scotland (596,000).


Eng Wal Sco UK NI
2010 Q4 4988 342 596 5930 228
2009 Q2 5039 348 615 6001 230

public sector employment by region table 6 http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pdfdir/pse0311.pdf


Table 2: Population change for the United Kingdom and constituent countries mid 2009

United Kingdom 61,792
England and Wales 54,809
England 51,810
Wales 2,999
Scotland 5,194
Northern Ireland 1,789
Population (thousands)
Source: Office for National Statistics, General Register Office for Scotland, Northern Ireland Statistics & Research

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pdfdir/pop0610.pdf

615,000 out of 5,194,000 is 11.84% of Scottish population employed in public sector

615,000 out of 6,001,000 is 10.24% of public sector employed in Scotland

615,000 out of 61,792,000 is 9.9% of population is employed in public sector and lives in Scotland

yet 5,194 out of 61,792 is only 8.4% of population

really need to see the net private sector tax contribution to say that one region per capita contributes more tax

the proportions of regional public sector employment above make me doubt Scotland subsidises rest of UK at per capita tax contribution level

then there is spending which one of your links shows Scotland as net gainer rather than contributor

ninky_2

Prudent wrote: »

You have to be a Scottish resident for three years.

so if you do a four year degree in scotland you must be scottish by final year?

toby3000

ninky wrote: »

so if you do a four year degree in scotland you must be scottish by final year?

If the rules are the same as for English universities then you can't have moved to Scotland expressly to avoid tuition fees.

I don't think most Scots would be interested in independence, since they have devolution. I think some of the practicalities would be easily sortable though - for example, I don't think there'd be any issue with them immediately joining the EU. It wouldn't be the first country to split up or lose a region, so there must be precidents set...

harz99

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

From my point of view the referendum is unlikely to be posed until 2015 and even if it returned a positive result, there would be a number of years of hardship whilst establishing ourselves trully independent on a global stage.

That said, once through these years of hardship, the country would be in a far better shape than if being held back by Westminster.

Where can I get one of the crystal balls you are so lucky to have please?

torontoboy45

so where - exactly - does the issue of independence figure on the snp's 'must do list'?

I'm only asking.

Generali

torontoboy45 wrote: »

so where - exactly - does the issue of independence figure on the snp's 'must do list'?

I'm only asking.

They've promised a referendum on it during this Scottish Parliament.

Given their huge success in the election, I'd imagine that they'd want to have it as soon as possible.

IveSeenTheLight

harz99 wrote: »

Where can I get one of the crystal balls you are so lucky to have please?

LOL, I don't have a crystal ball, I quite clearly said it was from "my point of view".

I even implied the referendum does not gaurantee a positive outcome.

I'm still entitled to "my opinion" however

IveSeenTheLight

Generali wrote: »

They've promised a referendum on it during this Scottish Parliament.

Given their huge success in the election, I'd imagine that they'd want to have it as soon as possible.

Definately not as soon as possible.

They will want to have a period where they can use their majority to influence the country more on what it wants to achieve.

Then if positive results can be shown, it would increase the confidence of the population towards independance.

It's utter folly to consider that they would not take advantage of the majority before posing the independance referendum.

Also, every SNP MSP I've heard quoted have all said it would be in the second half of the session.