how far can i actually take this?

anguk

FBaby wrote: »

It's like people expecting NHS funding for cosmetic surgery complaining that they should be entitled to it because they have paid their NI contribution, not realising that 90% of what they will cost the NHS will most likely be in their last year of life....

This I agree with. My OH has dialysis 3 times a week which costs approx £30,000 a year, there's no way we'll have ever paid enough in NI to cover the money that's been spent keeping him alive.

That said I don't think all cosmetic surgery is unnecessary, breast reconstruction after surgery, disfigurements after accidents illness etc are important but that's another discussion.

Marisco

That is why I called it vanity cosmetic surgery anguk. The ones you mention are totally different to those who just want a boob/nose job:)

iamana1ias

clemmatis wrote: »

You earn too much to get means-tested benefits. So did I. I didn't see that as anything to complain about.

I'm not complaining about what I earn, just that I'm one of those that will always pay in but never take out. In fact, I doubt I'll ever use the amount of tax and NI I contribute because I have private medical cover, a private dentist, and I paid for my own higher education (part time so no public funding). I have my own private pension so my old age is covered too.

So because of my life choices I'll always be a net contributor many times over while the majority of others take out more than they put in (whilst whining about it online).

I'm beginning to think communism is a good idea.

FBaby

Marisco wrote: »

That is why I called it vanity cosmetic surgery anguk. The ones you mention are totally different to those who just want a boob/nose job:)

and these are funded by the NHS, but that's for another discussion

FBaby

iamana1ias wrote: »

I'm not complaining about what I earn, just that I'm one of those that will always pay in but never take out. In fact, I doubt I'll ever use the amount of tax and NI I contribute because I have private medical cover, a private dentist, and I paid for my own higher education (part time so no public funding). I have my own private pension so my old age is covered too.

So because of my life choices I'll always be a net contributor many times over while the majority of others take out more than they put in (whilst whining about it online).

I'm beginning to think communism is a good idea.

You might be one of very few rare specimen that can actually and officially claim you are paying more in then you are, and most likely ever will, get back. I think people like you should be entitled to a special dwp, hmrc medal of recognition I am making fun of it, but I do totally sympathise with what you must be feeling, makes all of us moaners here the laughing matter really!

DerbyDD

Gojojo

You can restrict the hours that you are available for work, if you have caring responsibilies ie children, the elderly or the disabled. As long as the restriction is to no less than 16 hours, you can still claim JSA. I cant copy the link I found, go to Disability Alliance website and search the site for JSA.

Sixer

I think people tend to forget that what they receive from the communal tax pot is a great deal more than simply what they receive individually. The country is defended by its armed forces, law and order is enforced through the police and the judiciary, roads and infrastructure are built and maintained, the means to even govern the country must be paid for. People who say they are never ill would still need to pay for health insurance if it weren't for the NHS, yadda ad infinitum.

Society doesn't work at the level of the individual - or at least the society we have organised ourselves into doesn't.

pipkin71

michelle1506 wrote: »

I think this has already been answered. For your information we forked out for costly IVF treatment which was NOT available on the NHS, which was privately funded by ourselves, so yes some of my treatment was private and not on the NHS.

I have no issue with you claiming the benefits you are entitled to, it was just the way you said about it being your turn to get something that prompted me to comment.

The likelihood is, you will be getting more out for you and yours than you have paid in, throughout your lifetime. As an example, with two children on the way, once they attend school [if they do] they will be costing the tax payer in excess of £12,000 per year on their education alone.

OT but, congratulations on your pregnancy. Despite many attempts at IVF, my brother and his wife have not been successful yet.

Witchfinder_General

iamana1ias wrote: »

I'm not complaining about what I earn, just that I'm one of those that will always pay in but never take out. In fact, I doubt I'll ever use the amount of tax and NI I contribute because I have private medical cover, a private dentist, and I paid for my own higher education (part time so no public funding). I have my own private pension so my old age is covered too.

So because of my life choices I'll always be a net contributor many times over while the majority of others take out more than they put in (whilst whining about it online).

I'm beginning to think communism is a good idea.

That makes two of us mate.

I'm not a rich person. Although I have a decent salary my disposable income would surprise you. After taxes (Income Tax, National Insurance, Council tax), working expenses (travel costs, and TAXES on it, [expensive] work clothes, food, etc.), and housing costs (paid privately), my disposable income (and I dare say iamana1ias and others in work) is probably lower than that of many people on benefits. Which is so wrong, on so many levels.

clemmatis

iamana1ias wrote: »

I'm not complaining about what I earn, just that I'm one of those that will always pay in but never take out. In fact, I doubt I'll ever use the amount of tax and NI I contribute because I have private medical cover, a private dentist, and I paid for my own higher education (part time so no public funding). I have my own private pension so my old age is covered too.

So because of my life choices I'll always be a net contributor many times over while the majority of others take out more than they put in (whilst whining about it online).

I'm beginning to think communism is a good idea.

Thank you for not being annoyed by my comment.

I have an occupational pension, it was though a fully contributory one and at the time I took early disability retirement, the pension fund was so much in surplus, a rise in benefits was considered. Still, I'd have said I was slightly in your position. But I am disabled and have fallen ill, I do now both get DLA and cost the country rather a lot (I assume) in medical costs. Though I am not identical to you -- I have less money and I have cheap top-up private medical insurance that of course doesn't cover everything -- I'd ask you to consider that you may at some stage, like me, unexpectedly need help from the state.

(-- I do agree about some of the whining!)

Communism, well, I am a socialist, some people might call me a communist -- it depends on what you mean. One thing communism is supposed to be about is meeting people's needs (but that should be needs not wants!). In a socialist or communist system, some people do pay in more than they get out. Simply, the state is there in case of need.