CSA 'GOOD CAUSE' rejected - do I appeal?

looby75

Not so long ago in our village a young mum was stabbed and ended up in hospital for 3 weeks thanks to the CSA's incompetence.

She moved here when she broke up with her dd's father, he was very violent and abusive and for years she refused to press charges, felt she deserved to be hit by him. Then her dd was born and one night she crying because she was teething her father picked her up out of her cot and slammed her on the bed. The baby wasn't hurt but her mum packed up everything she could carry and left as soon as her husband left for work the next day. She lived with her mother for a while until she was given a council house in our village, her ex didn't know where she and his dd were living until csa contacted him for support payments.

She had appealed against them pursuing him for support but as has been mentioned on here she was bullied by the DSS staff and told if she didn't give them his details she wouldn't receive a penny in IS, something she later found out was a load of bs.
6 months after her ex started paying the CSA he got a letter from them, along with the copy that should have actually been sent to her, which obviously had her address on. He went round there the same day and stabbed her.

He is now in prison for attempted murder and she is waiting for the results of the enquiry as to how he got her letter.

So personally I don't blame the OP for not wanting to get the csa involved, yes I realise her case is different to the lady I know, as her ex already knows where she lives but still sometimes it is best to let sleeping dogs lie. The CSA is just a great big prodding stick.

magyar

looby75 wrote:

The CSA is just a great big prodding stick.

Sorry, I know that was a very serious topic, but I just love that line.

looby75

lol well that's about all they are good for, causing problems. I don't think I've met a person yet who is happy with the way the CSA has handled their case...though I'm sure there must be one or two around, even a broken clock gets it right twice a day!

(I'm just full of saying's today aren't I lol)

lemontart

when are they going to be shut down, they cost more than the get, they do not check the figures sent in by absent parents, and are the root cause and final straw for many leading to suicide and as illustrated above violence, they left me a very dark place during my dealings with them resulting in a hospital stay.

My heart goes out to those effected by this bunch of incompentants.

Beth
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neddie

I've got every sympathy, but astarath is right.

In addition, I think that you should have your benefits reduced. when people advice about the csa they get confused with what happened to them and their neighbour and the woman round the corner.

The Csa and Income Support will only work on facts, not hear say, or what might happen one day.

so withoug wishing to judge you. The facts appear to be

You don't work
Your ex know's where you live
You know where your ex lives
If you don't tell IS they will reduce your benefit
If you do tell IS will tell CSA where he lives
This is so that tax payers don't pay for your kids your ex (their father) will.

this is the version without the if's and maybes I am afraid that you might not like it but that is the way it is sometimes.

Rest assured the CSA (although they do make mistakes) cannot pass on your personal details to him as they have to follow data protection. I realise he knows where you live already, but I think that you now realise that if there is a problem you need to press charges, it is unfortunate that in order to do this it assumes that he must be violent towards you, but you suggesting to IS and CSA that he might be violent does perhaps suggest that you could be colludeing with him so that he does not have to pay.

looby75

neddie wrote:

this is the version without the if's and maybes I am afraid that you might not like it but that is the way it is sometimes.

Grrr when will they move tha thanks button away from the quote one!

Anyway.

I'll tell my friend who was stabbed by her ex that shall I? She told the dss why she didn't want to go through the csa, she wrote it all down, in detail, which was very hard and upsetting for her. It was ignored, she went to appeal but because she hadn't pressed charges in the past the appeal was thrown out. She was bullied by dss staff to give them her ex's detail in the first place, if she had known she was only likely to lose part of her IS she wouldn't have risked giving her ex's details. She was desperate and in a no win situation. She was one of the unlucky ones it backfired on.

When she came out of hospital her ex was on the run so she and her dd were placed in a hostel for victims of domestic violence for their safety until he was arrested. One of the things that the women there were told not to do was to tell the csa the name/address of the abusive partner because the csa mess up. Says it all really.

magyar

Neddie, I have to say that whilst what you said was technically correct, I do hope you are not in, or never work in, an occupation where you have to deal with the public.

Not the best bedside manner!

Scarlett1

magyar wrote:

Neddie, I have to say that whilst what you said was technically correct, I do hope you are not in, or never work in, an occupation where you have to deal with the public.

Not the best bedside manner!

I agree, such harsh words from someone who posted her own query on this site a few months back and got advice, not accused of plotting with her ex so he dont have to pay CSA :mad:

magyar

Apart from anything, the logic is just plaing wrong. Astaroth was pointing out the reason behind why the CSA could come to such a conclusion, and I thought got unnecessarily flamed for a good point.

Neddie's claim that "suggesting to IS and CSA that he might be violent does perhaps suggest that [the OP] could be colludeing [sic] with him so that he does not have to pay" is completely incorrect. It doesn't suggest it at all.

The OP has freely admitted that there is insufficient evidence and, whilst this is a sad situation, if she is not prepared to risk contacting him then this is just an unfortunate case where a bully wins. (Of course, still better that his threats remain just that...)

ritac1

I completely understand what Asteroth was saying, what I dont understand is why was he/she was pointing this out on this thread. I simply asked for some assistance. I think everybody on the planet is aware that almost every benefit available gets screwed by some fraudsters. I just dont know why he/she thought it necessary to point out that my situation was not very different from others who make fraudulent claims. How does that help me??

It appears that the rules are not black and white as far as the 'good cause' clause in concerned, as some people seem to believe.
It is simply not necessary to prove that you have been physically abused, but you do need to convince CSA that you and or your children are at risk of suffering unduly, be it mentally or physically, as a result of their contacting the ex to establish his financial situation.

I guess I could get each of my children to make a statement detailing events but how sick would that be.