washing machine without a pcb

runaroundpauper

ah well washing machine broke tried to fix went on diferent sites tried different things its 8 years old and been rebuilt 3 x under the insurance which expired 3 years ago so i am looking for a washing machine that does not have a pcb on it whenever i go on the web and ask for a wm without pcb it justs tells me where to get a pcb from
so if anyone knows of a reasonable wm without pcb would be of great help

thescouselander

I'm pretty sure all washing machines will have some sort of PCB - in fact they have had PCBs of some sort for a very long time.

How about looking for a washing machine that is generally more reliable.

HappyMJ

If you are really stuck for money for a cheap machine then go to the charity shop and get one from them. 8 years is quite good for a machine. I've had 3 in that time. All second hand from the charity lot and only about £20 each including delivery. They died due to limescale on the first, overheating on the second and the third is still going fairly well.

Knarf44

Did you try this website?

http://shop.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/Washing+Machine+Spares.htm

System

Is this any good? http://www.ssplprints.com/image.php?imgref=10250636

Hammyman

runaroundpauper wrote: »

so if anyone knows of a reasonable wm without pcb would be of great help

No such thing. Washing machines have had PCBs for over 30 years. The only washing machine without one now is a stream with a rock.

Dave_C_2

Unless you go for a twin tub the washing machine will have electronics inside to control the electric motor speed, which in turn sets the speed of the drum. Slow for wash and fast for spin.

What do you have against electronics (PCBs) in washing machines?

Enquiring minds need to know.

Nilrem

Dave_C wrote: »

Unless you go for a twin tub the washing machine will have electronics inside to control the electric motor speed, which in turn sets the speed of the drum. Slow for wash and fast for spin.

What do you have against electronics (PCBs) in washing machines?

Enquiring minds need to know.

I think the fact that they seem to be less reliable, and much harder to fix.:)

We stuck with a brand of washing machine that kept to mechanical controls for as long as possible, most of them lasted years and were finally retired when they suffered mechanical breakdowns that were more expensive to fix than replace (the last one was replaced when first the drum bearing went, then the seal, and finally the pump).

We bought a machine with a "modern" controller (PCB with microchip and EEPROM), it went through 3 PCB's in the first 10 months, and even the engineer admitted that the original versions for that model were bad (as he fitted the last board, which had a different EEPROM and board layout).

Theoretically mechanical controllers should be less reliable than the solid state ones, but it seems that whilst the mechanical controllers generally suffered from wear and tear, electronic ones can suffer from that (or bad joints which are a real problem on something that is being shaken around for hours at a time), bad programming (IE you can crash them if you do something unexpected, or there is a power cut etc and not be able to reset them), and other problems.

Even the fact that electronic timers should be simpler to replace/use across a number of models (one PCB should be usable with different connection sets and a fairly simple change of EEPROM in theory), doesn't hold up - it took the engineer nearly a month to get a replacement board in as it wasn't available, instead you're stuck waiting for a much more expensive part.

penrhyn

A world without printed circuit boards, what would that be like?


OP Go buy a Bosch, Siemens or better still a Miele.

Failing that a dolly tub and mangle.:D

PS Mum had one of these:

Nilrem

penrhyn wrote: »

A world without printed circuit boards, what would that be like?

I don't think it's so much the PCB's, but the fact that you're screwed if you buy a machine that uses a PCB controller and the manufacturer isn't willing to provide a replacement (or goes bust), or has a designer/programmer/QC that is poor.
Mechanical timers could be repaired, and from memory you could get compatible parts for common machines well after the model had been discontinued, with modern ones you're extremely reliant on the manufacturers support as you can't do anything to fix the microprocessor controlled timers yourself, and the chances are no one but the manufacturer will be able to provide a compatible one.

In general solid state should be much more reliable than mechanical designs, but it requires a much higher QC at all stages of production, something even "brand" names are willing to forgo at times for the sake of a bigger profit margin.

MilkyJoe

Buy a twin tub.