Another ConDem balls up £2bn

1984ReturnsForReal_2

Now you may remember the Aircraft Carrier threads....

Well, remember that the Condems told us that it was cheaper to build than cancel the contracts?

Well, it turns out that they really haven't got a clue because its now costing £2bn more.

Me thinks a ConMan is a shareholder of the shipbuilder.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13218582

sheffield_lad

Ummm, I think you need to remember who ordered the ships in the first place, our friends the Labour party in the throw money away days. If I read the news thread correctly the present gov are not accepting the increase which may actually mean that me the idiot (aka tax payer), may not have to suffer more pounds being thrown into the ocean.

The present gov could not really win this argument if they had canceled them it would be 'more cuts' & jobs to go at ship builders yet they save them and make it workable IE the right planes can land on them and they still get flack lol.

Worth noting the last lot also bought Schnook helicopters which could not fly hardly a feather in their cap.

Really2

howee wrote: »

Ummm, I think you need to remember who ordered the ships in the first place, our friends the Labour party in the throw money away days.

Indeed at an original cost of just under £4B for the two in 2007. You can't blame the current government for hole ridden contracts awarded by the previous.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

howee wrote: »

Ummm, I think you need to remember who ordered the ships in the first place, our friends the Labour party in the throw money away days. If I read the news thread correctly the present gov are not accepting the increase which may actually mean that me the idiot (aka tax payer), may not have to suffer more pounds being thrown into the ocean.

The present gov could not really win this argument if they had canceled them it would be 'more cuts' & jobs to go at ship builders yet they save them and make it workable IE the right planes can land on them and they still get flack lol.

Worth noting the last lot also bought Schnook helicopters which could not fly hardly a feather in their cap.

As this is one of my favourite topics we can safely say I remember.

I remember:

1) Labour signing contracts
2) ConDems deciding they didnt want a navy with planes for a decade
3) Condems deciding that it was cheaper to build than scrap
4) Condems being bad at maths


Could you tell me at what point Cameron or Osbourne got on the phone & asked how much they had to pay the shipbuilder not to build?

By the way is this one of the Carriers the Condems were going to flog right off to Bahrain?

1984ReturnsForReal_2

Really2 wrote: »

Indeed at an original cost of just under £4B for the two in 2007. You can't blame the current government for hole ridden contracts awarded by the previous.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:


They decided to build or not build...

Really2

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

Could you tell me at what point Cameron or Osbourne got on the phone & asked how much they had to pay the shipbuilder not to build?

I would say the contract would hold full value if canceled plus scraping costs.
It is not like they are going to be bale to resell them easily.

Looks like They went up £1.4M when Labour were in power? (not that I will knock Labours maths capabilities )

sheffield_lad

It still may well prove cheaper to build than scrap until the final bill is accepted. The difference is I don't think they will just accept further and further increases and BAE along with other contractors may find that the open purse they had their hands in for so long has actually got a bit tighter (touch wood), not sure when they asked about costs for and not building but my guess would be yes someone would have asked why would they not? They need to get rid of the current national credit card spending (note nothings getting paid back yet debt = 1 TRILLION), and spending on this means tougher savings elsewhere.

Really2

1984ReturnsForReal wrote: »

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:


They decided to build or not build...

But if there is a contract in place it is not that easy to exit, you cant just walk away.

Remember Labours NHS IT system that never did anything and the contracts they gave out for a ever increasing cost system that was never implemented?
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/pbr/article6946336.ece

The Chancellor said the “quite expensive” programme, which has been running since 2002 and has an estimated budget of more than £12.7 billion, could be postponed to save cash.

I would not hold my breath they did any better on get out clauses on this one either or scape for cost increases.

chris_m

Also, bear in mind that the extra cost is largely to redesign/engineer them to be capable of operating a wider range of aircraft, not extra cost to simply build them as originally designed. That's quite a difference.

mbga9pgf

Erm, ever thought we might actually NEED the carriers for future offensive capability? No, thought not.

1984ReturnsForReal_2

mbga9pgf wrote: »

Erm, ever thought we might actually NEED the carriers for future offensive capability? No, thought not.

My point exactly.

Condems decided:

To press on & build
Make pilots redundant
Scrap planes
And sell to a country in an unstable area where we actually might need them



Nutters & to top it all off they are £2b out on figures. Lovely