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your walking and cycling will keep you fit to an extent but if it's weight loss you are after have you tried interval training? sounds technical but basically just means short (and i mean a minute or less) or intense effort followed by active recovery. so for example sprint jog sprint jog. doing just 15-20 minutes of such a couple of times a week can make a big difference. try it for a month and you'll see. when i started doing intervals i was amazed at how much improvement - not only weight loss but surprisingly endurance, resting heart rate etc -you see. in fact i had to scale back because i was getting too stripped and the marathon runner look physique is not one i aspire to.
Yep. Another myth that seems to be widespread is the supposed benefits of "low impact" exercise, when in fact you're much better off doing short bouts of intense exercise that really stress your body and encourage it to super-compensate.0 -
Trust ninky to seek to intellectualise why fat people are fat.
Fat people are fat because they choose to consume more calories than they expend through exercise. It's pretty simple.
We can justify their choices all we like; we can blame conditioning or society or the mass media; we can blame evil corporations; we can blame class. Whatever, the end result is the same. Energy in, energy out.
The basic equation may be straightforward but the behavioral aspects are not. Why would an animal eat itself to the point of ill health? Obesity is very rare among animals in the wild, even when they exist in environments of plentiful food and no predators. I have to agree with Ninky that an essential part of the problem is that we evolved for a diet far different from that we now have. The mass availability of cheap refined carbs has overcome the self-limiting mechanisms in the diet we evolved for.
In 2009 I lost over 5.5 stone by changing the way I eat. Self-control had nothing to do with it. Once I knew what to eat my hunger disappeared, my consumption decreased and the weight just fell off in six months.0 -
Degenerate wrote: »The basic equation may be straightforward but the behavioral aspects are not. Why would an animal eat itself to the point of ill health? Obesity is very rare among animals in the wild, even when they exist in environments of plentiful food and no predators. I have to agree with Ninky that an essential part of the problem is that we evolved for a diet far different from that we now have. The mass availability of cheap refined carbs has overcome the self-limiting mechanisms in the diet we evolved for.
Actually, I don't know about all animals but some feral to the point of wild and wild animals do get obesity related illness. I've read papers about it and the physiological changes seen relating to this. (e.g. feral horses in US show lack of integrity in their hoof laminae*Abundance is how many aspecies survive the winter...its a natural yoyo pattern that results in ''normal weight average'' over seasons. However, people in UK do not usually need to lay on fat to shiver and starve off through the winter.
another huge factor in weight maintain in wild living animals is parasite burden.
Congratulations on your maintained weight loss.
* edit: for completeness their are other causes than obesity of laminitis.0 -
PS, it was not to Worry NDG, but I would really go to see someone else. Eating the meals of three people and not sustaining the size of 3 people would mean something is going missing somewhere.
I would class that intake as far past normal ranges for a high metabolism, so a doctor/nutritionist should not shrug that off as required intake.
It wasn't shrugged off - he spent a while being poked and prodded, and doing various complicated monitored-diet, monitored input and output, oxygen calculation things....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
quite. plenty of nasty bugs and conditions can create such a situation....the very reason a gap year in india can coincide with "inexplicable" weightloss.
There was nothing inexplicable about the weightloss - living in a Tibetan monastry in India is a great slimming plan. It was the trouble he had re-gaining weight when he got back home that was the issue....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
neverdespairgirl wrote: »There was nothing inexplicable about the weightloss - living in a Tibetan monastry in India is a great slimming plan. It was the trouble he had re-gaining weight when he got back home that was the issue.
so how did they explain the mechanism by which he obtained this bizarre metabolism? he was presumably normal weight eating normal levels before the india trip.Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves. - Lord Byron0 -
I hope he is still not eating that much though in all seriousness. Trying to get that much in without eating all kinds of high fat food would be a nightmare.
It's tailed off a bit now he's in his early 30s, but he still eats a lot more than most people. He's 6 ft 1, 42 inch chest, 30 inch waist, and slim and athletic rather than chunky.
I just asked him what he's eaten today:
3 bowls of no-sugar museli with soya milk, raisins and a chopped banana
2 mugs of chicken, leek and potato soup, 3 wholemeal bread rolls, a large pot of yogurt
slice of lemon cake and an apple (afternoon tea)
now - he's just had dinner, which I cooked - a large pile of wholemeal rice, spiced chickpeas, peas, and a tomato and cucumber salad, a large glass of orange juice, and then a magnum chocolate lolly. He'll probably have a bowl of mixed nuts and raisins later, he often does.
No idea how many calories, but a lot of grub, I think....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
so how did they explain the mechanism by which he obtained this bizarre metabolism? he was presumably normal weight eating normal levels before the india trip.
there are plenty of medical and physiological reasons for a ''fast metabolism''. e.g. those thyroid normal ranges I mentioned as being narrow here a normal in UK could see you medicated as under or over under a different countries range of ''normal''.0 -
so how did they explain the mechanism by which he obtained this bizarre metabolism? he was presumably normal weight eating normal levels before the india trip.
He always ate a lot, he says. Our son fairly stuffs himself too....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
lostinrates wrote: »there are plenty of medical and physiological reasons for a ''fast metabolism''. e.g. those thyroid normal ranges I mentioned as being narrow here a normal in UK could see you medicated as under or over under a different countries range of ''normal''.
if you have a lot of muscle compared to fat you need more calories just to exist. maybe a spell in a tibetan monastery could do this - but in order to get that muscle you still would have had to output large amounts of energy.
it can take a while for our lifestyles / calorie output and diet / calorie input to catch up with how we appear. again i think that's often why fail to recognise the basic equation of calories in / calories out.
there are also some things that burn extra calories that we don't associate with exercise such as fighting off a germ for example (hence the phrase "feed a cold").Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves. - Lord Byron0
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