possible to sell an old gas fire?

C_Mababejive

Is it the big heavy metal misermatic with the cream coloured knob on the right and sometimes a thermostat knob on the left and i kind of pewter coloured finish? I think it would be a shame to scrap as i think they are quite retro looking and an extremely effective fire..

patman99

So, no RGI will install a 2nd-hand gas appliance?. My FiL had his gas fire serviced last year and the RGI condemned it. As there was a perfectly usable gas fire in another room that was never used, he removed this and re-installed it in place of the knackered one.
His view was that as he was servicing both appliances and the 10-year-old barely-used one had nothing wrong with it, it was the cheapest option.

The RGI in question works for one of the largest private firms in Essex.

edgex

patman99 wrote: »

So, no RGI will install a 2nd-hand gas appliance?. My FiL had his gas fire serviced last year and the RGI condemned it. As there was a perfectly usable gas fire in another room that was never used, he removed this and re-installed it in place of the knackered one.
His view was that as he was servicing both appliances and the 10-year-old barely-used one had nothing wrong with it, it was the cheapest option.

The RGI in question works for one of the largest private firms in Essex.

that fire wouldnt be classed as second-hand, as the ownership hadnt changed, & the fitter 'knew' the fire

vaio

I thought the big reason advanced by RGIs against installing second hand things was the lack of instructions without which they can’t safely install.

If room to room is ok because the fitter “knows” the fire what about house to house so can I give my old gas fire to my dad?

Or landlords can recycle their old (but safely functioning) appliances into their tenants houses?

Sounds like a can of worms to me

keystone

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

No, I'm afraid it's as vaio confirms, if you do it correctly it's impossible to prove incompetancy.

No its not. If you want to do your own gaswork you may. If you want the installation registered correctly and warranty enabled on your new boiler then your only recourse is to have GasSafe inspect the work. The Inspector will want to see proof of your competancy before he even considers signing it off. His only yardstick for that is an ACS qualification plus a demonstration of your knowledge of and ability to do the correct testing.

If, however, you believe you are competant and you have no intention of registering the installation or the warranty on your new boiler then be my guest. Unfortunately, HSE won't be interested in your competance (or lack thereof) until the building blows up or you gas everyone inside to death. Insurance will be invalidated too.

You also need to bear in mind that GSIUR says "No person shall .... unless he is competant". It does not say "no person (except DIYers).............." and GSIUR IS enshrined in law.

Cheers

keystone

vaio wrote: »

I thought the big reason advanced by RGIs against installing second hand things was the lack of instructions without which they can’t safely install.

The primary reason would be a total lack of knowledge as to whether the thing was damaged or not. It may pass all the tests but have hidden damage or fault that could eventually result in a calamity. On the grounds that he installed it guess who they'd be after? Its not worth the risk.

Cheers

keystone

patman99 wrote: »

So, no RGI will install a 2nd-hand gas appliance?.

Thats not what I wrote. If you are going to quote me please be accurate. Thanks.

Cheers

C_Mababejive

Any competent and experienced engineer would be able to assess and inspect something as simple as a used gas fire to decide whether or not it was suitable for further use.

keystone

C_Mababejive wrote: »

Any competent and experienced engineer would be able to assess and inspect something as simple as a used gas fire to decide whether or not it was suitable for further use.

Not going to argue with that but having done so I still don't know any who would be prepared to take the risk of installing it.

Cheers

cyclonebri1

keystone wrote: »

No its not. If you want to do your own gaswork you may. If you want the installation registered correctly and warranty enabled on your new boiler then your only recourse is to have GasSafe inspect the work. The Inspector will want to see proof of your competancy before he even considers signing it off. His only yardstick for that is an ACS qualification plus a demonstration of your knowledge of and ability to do the correct testing.

If, however, you believe you are competant and you have no intention of registering the installation or the warranty on your new boiler then be my guest. Unfortunately, HSE won't be interested in your competance (or lack thereof) until the building blows up or you gas everyone inside to death. Insurance will be invalidated too.

You also need to bear in mind that GSIUR says "No person shall .... unless he is competant". It does not say "no person (except DIYers).............." and GSIUR IS enshrined in law.

Cheers

We are talking installing a 2nd hand fire, NOT installing and registering a brand new boiler. Plus, I'm not argueing the ethics just the facts of what is and what is not legal and I'll repeat again do it right and there will be no issue.

I worked for over 35 in engineering, installing and maintaining gas boilers and pipework systems and networks along with general responsibility for overall factory safety. As we were covered under the factories act we did not need to have any engineers registered under corgi as it was a few years ago. So, technically I have the competance but not the authority to work in domestic premises. What do you think I would do in my own home.

At worst from my point of view, is that I have to get all appliances checked to sell the house. I would rather pay that premium then, and give any potential buyers an up to date safety cert than present an outdated one, but as I said to each his own.
From the gsiur regs;



Qualification and supervision

3.—(1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.
(2) The employer of any person carrying out such work for that employer, every other employer and self-employed person who has control to any extent of such work and every employer and self-employed person who has required such work to be carried out at any place of work under his control shall ensure that paragraph (1) above is complied with in relation to such work.
(3) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraphs (1) and (2) above and subject to paragraph (4) below, no employer shall allow any of his employees to carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or service pipework and no self-employed person shall carry out any such work, unless the employer or self-employed person, as the case may be, is a member of a class of persons approved for the time being by the Health and Safety Executive for the purposes of this paragraph.
(4) The requirements of paragraph (3) above shall not apply in respect of—
(a)the replacement of a hose or regulator on a portable or mobile space heater; or
(b)the replacement of a hose connecting a re-fillable cylinder to installation pipework.
(5) An approval given pursuant to paragraph (3) above (and any withdrawal of such approval) shall be in writing and notice of it shall be given to such persons and in such manner as the Health and Safety Executive considers appropriate.
(6) The employer of any person carrying out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel in the course of his employment shall ensure that such of the following provisions of these Regulations as impose duties upon that person and are for the time being in force are complied with by that person.
(7) No person shall falsely pretend to be a member of a class of persons required to be approved under paragraph (3) above.
(8) Notwithstanding sub-paragraph (b) of regulation 2(4), when a person is carrying out work in premises referred to in that sub-paragraph in relation to a gas fitting in a vehicle, vessel or caravan—
(a)paragraphs (1), (2) and (6) of this regulation shall be complied with as respects thereto; and
(b)he shall ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, that the installation of the gas fittings and flues will not contravene the provisions of these Regulations when the gas fittings are connected to a gas supply,
except that this paragraph shall not apply where the person has reasonable grounds for believing that the vehicle, vessel or caravan will be first used for a purpose which when so used will exclude it from the application of these Regulations by virtue of sub-paragraphs (a), (c) or (e) of regulation 2(5).

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