How do we stop the building of the current influx of !!!!!! new housing

A_Nice_Englishman

PoorDave wrote:

Is the single people bit really true though? Have we seen any actual evidence?

The Government certainly think so.

http://planningportal.gov.uk/wales/professionals/en/1115313916772.html

According to the latest household projections published by the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister, the number of households in England is expected to rise from 20.9 million in 2003 to 25.7 million by 2026, an increase of around 23 per cent.

This amounts to 209,000 new households a year of which 150,000 are single person households. Just under a quarter of this increase in single person households is in the 55-64 age groups.

Guy_Montag

I wonder what proportion of single person households are in the 70+ age group. Surely this must account for a substnatial increase.

Horasio

Why do they assume single people/couples want to be crammed right up against others? I hate noisy neighbours and want some space but don't want a big house

A_Nice_Englishman

CCStar wrote:

Why do they assume single people/couples want to be crammed right up against others? I hate noisy neighbours and want some space but don't want a big house

I think it's to do with housing densities again. One or two bedroomed detached houses would take up a lot of land and therefore not meet the density requirements of the planning regulations and be too expensive.

lynzpower

the bottom line OP is that if you have a budget for 300k you wont get a council flat.

SO your discussion is arbitary.

I agree with the others if there was no market they wouldnt build them. Round the corner from me ( e3) 3 bed new build townhouse- 425k. no thanks- i just would not.

But market forces, if people buy them they will sell them.

ashm1

Surely with relaxed planning regulations the South East of England would just become one giant slab of London concrete.

Kind regards,

Ashley.

Debt_Free_Chick

ukbondraider wrote:

However what get on my nerves is why townhouse and apartment living has spread outwards to the outer counties and other smaller towns and cities simply because it makes more money for the developers.

And it makes more sense from a planning point of view. You can house more people in a 3 storey block of appartments, than you can in a single detached home, built on exactly the same plot of land.

Everytime I see a new development full of tiny townhouses and apartments that are sold for what large detatched houses should be going for it makes me cringe. I dont see why any town that is not a major city e.g London, Manchester etc should have any apartments nor too many townhouses.

And what about the next generation of first-time buyers who grew up in those towns? Are they to be forced into these cities for suitable accommodation?

The country is already abundant with ugly old townhouses and to ensure that the future of houses follow the same path is such a disappointment.

Ugly, in your eyes maybe. Not sure what you're referring to though. Do you mean the current sort of townhouses, like these? I have to say that I don't think they're particularly ugly, but then opinions differ

Why dont the councils set a rule where only detatched properties can be built in their area.

Because they have a responsibility to the local community and Central Government also sets planning policy. Such a policy would not counter much favour in my area (rural). We have plenty of detached houses and prices to match. Young local people don't stand a chance in hell of buying here, where the minimum price tag is around £350-400k :eek:

And why dont we all stop buying these rubbish small new or even old houses fueling this deterioration of UK society.

We all need first time buyers to keep the fires lit under the housing market. Otherwise, we wouldn't be able to move up the property ladder - you included

I know I for one would rather rent out a council house at £50 per week and live life a very rich man rather than to buy an overpriced townhouse or apartment and struggle.

As above, if everyone decided to do this, the market would dry up.

A new 4 bed townhouse in one of the new developments in Dartford is set to cost £375K. Sure £375K is within my budget but £375K for a non detatched in Dartford:mad: ????. Dartford is still miles from London so I would expect a 4/5 bed executive detached to cost that much. It is also not exactly the poshes of places to live. A 4 bed detached in Ashford costs £250K with a nice-ish one fetching around £300K.

Put quite simply, these prices reflect the distance/time & price of commuting to London.

I know Ashford is further out but how people can buy the !!!!!! new builds like the ones in Dartord and other towns is beyond me. Its no wonder why so many people in the UK are struggling in life.

Because they don't want to spend time/money commuting to London every day. Because living in Ashford means that going out in London (shopping, theatre ... whatever) is more expensive and less convenient. Becuase they grew up in and around Dartford and don't want to move. Because they grew up/already own in a less favourable place and see Dartford as a move to a better place.

Because living further out of London carries the problems of poor or non-existent public transport and a lower quality of services - especially if you go "too rural".

How a parent can support a family on £27K (the national average) is remarkable as I cant even support myself as well as I would expect on many many multiples above that.

Very many of us ratchet up our spending according to our income. Your food spend is probably much, much more than someone on £27k - they have learned to get more for their £1 whereas you, probably, have become accustomed to being able to afford not to have to watch the pennies.

Looks like I will have to move near to the coast of the country and get use to a 2 hour commute or start applying for council flats and use my bonus investing in buy to lets.

Exactly And you will probably get your 4/5 bed detached "executive" home in a nice rural location like this

I've been deliberately contrary here just to show you that there are always two sides to every story. The type of house in the link above, in that location, at that price is only available to those moving out of London or another similar area. There is no way a local couple could afford that house, when they're employed as farm workers, vetinary nurses, shop assistants etc earning around £15k pa.

There's a compromise, certainly in the SE. If you want more house for your pound, you'll have to move out and face the commute and fall in services.

With employment in the SE centred mostly in London, the pressure for more housing closer to London means that Dartford, the Thames Gateway and other "edge of London" places will lead to higher density accommodation.

Good luck, though

Poppycat

I think the government reduced the amount of land that developers build on so they can gram much more in such a tiny space. There's plenty of large houses (that are very good quality) being knocking down so that developers now build apartments in.

I also flabbergasted by the lack of space that some low cost housing is built on, I don't think it is at suitable to raise a family in.

Just down the road from me they have built what is equivalent in land two houses on roughly the same land as one Victorian terraced house with only a small forecourt and backyard. The new houses are built right on to the street with no backyard at all.

ukbondraider

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ukbondraider

The only sort of house I am looking for and find acceptable are the following:

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-13644889.rsp?pa_n=3&tr_t=buy

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-13106641.rsp?pa_n=8&tr_t=buy

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-13108799.rsp?pa_n=1&tr_t=buy


What I mean by ugly new houses are:

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-5457000.rsp?pa_n=2&tr_t=buy

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-5817876.rsp?pa_n=3&tr_t=buy


and ugly old houses are:

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-13512373.rsp?pa_n=3&tr_t=buy

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/viewdetails-6038301.rsp?pa_n=3&tr_t=buy