Just wondered what peoples thoughts are on this?

p_joker

I work part time in a shop, Im going to be 30 this year and I have worked there for quite a long time, it changed hands a few years ago approx 3 but they kept all the staff on, a few are still there but some didn't like it and left 1 by one, as they left they took on younger staff - early 20s the other ladies are in their 40s and 50s. I hate to sound like an old woman but they do like to mess about and treat work as a social event rather than something they do to earn money, they pull faces when asked to do something, they swear in front of customers and the one that really annoys me is talking about sex at the top of their voice, now what annoys me and other older members of staff is that they get away with it, the managers know what goes on 1 bloke has had many people phoning up saying he has spoken rudely to them and the manager solves the problem not buy telling him where he is going wrong but to put someone else on the till, but what happened on Saturday has to be the best of the lot.....
the manager in charge that day (there are 3) decided to put all the youngsters on lunch together her thinking that they might get all their chin wagging out in the lunch break and go to kfc or something for lunch but instead one of them bought a disposable bbq and lit it on the roof and then they all went off to get some burgers, the roof is quite new with felt on it, someone tipped the manager off and she caught them and gave them a telling off but 2 of the 3 thought it was a big joke one was papping himself and said how sorry he was and he really needs the money and it will never happen again, the main manager was told but he just said he would leave it up to her, they still all have their jobs but the other staff think they have gone to far this time do you think this was a sackable offence?

missiemog

i don't think it was a sackable offence, however all three of them should have been read the riot act and given a warning (possibly a final one).

the manager(s) sound like the ones needing training - if they don't get the younger members told of complaints about language/behaviour then they won't learn.

if someone complains to you or other members of staff, ask them to put it in writing and to ask for a written response. that should (hopefully) get the manager(s) to speak to those involved and get them to buck up their ideas.

you could also make a written complaint - they're duty bound to look into it.

meritaten

It IS a sackable offence! they created a fire hazard! they put themselves, other staff and customers at risk! they lit a fire and left it unattended you say? fgs - how many companies would have let staff do that? NONE? thats because its totally irresponsible!
at best - Final warnings! in writing and they should count themselves lucky they didnt get instant dismissal!
why were they allowed onto a newly felted roof anyway? do staff normally go on the roof for breaks?

pigpen

Joys of graduated minimum wage!! They employ younger people because they can pay them less.. and they are not always quite responsible enough to be free reign.

I'd have instantly fired the 2 that thought it was amusing and given the other a final warning purely because he showed remorse! I would also cut my losses and employ older experienced sensible people to work alongside the younger ones and hopefully ensure they behaved in an adult manner.

I doubt they'll last much longer though with such a poor work ethic.

dark_lady

Pig pen you are absolutely right. Its obvious the manager would rather risk the hazards so he can pay a lower wage.

Bronnie

OP says the new staff are early 20's which means they would be paid the adult mininimum wage rate at least and not the Youth Development Rate or 16-17 year old rate.

birkee

That's why so many of todays teenagers have trouble finding jobs.
The potential employer gives an interview and says "no thanks". Yours is clearly less fussy.

ailuro2

If it were my work that would be classed as an act of gross misconduct - on health and safety grounds at a minimum.

Is there a hierarchy at work? an HR department? Or is it just one shop?

If it'a just one shop I'd start looking for something better for yourself, with a good work ethic you have potential to move onwards and upwards.:)

Sambucus_Nigra

Your management are plainly incompetent. Unfortunately, there is little you can do about this apart from find a better employer.

p_joker

meritaten wrote: »

It IS a sackable offence! they created a fire hazard! they put themselves, other staff and customers at risk! they lit a fire and left it unattended you say? fgs - how many companies would have let staff do that? NONE? thats because its totally irresponsible!
at best - Final warnings! in writing and they should count themselves lucky they didnt get instant dismissal!
why were they allowed onto a newly felted roof anyway? do staff normally go on the roof for breaks?

they went out the fire escape from the staff room and set it up there, I don't think its meant to be used by staff, that's how we all felt that it was putting us and the customers at risk, their all still there I hate to be a tell tail but I feel like sending an email to head office I don't see why we should put up with it.

LJM

i would if you dont and they are not willing a customer may do it and then you would have to explain why you didnt speak up, the bbq thing a total idiotic childish and dangerous thing to do, fine if you are a kid go do it somewhere else but not on someone elses property causing a fire hazard. all your managers need retraining big time it is their responsibilitiy to sort this out surely they would have to have written a report on this or at least noted it somewhere.