Carers

kazzah60

krisskross wrote: »

Not exactly difficult is it though? I give my husbands's injections when his RA makes it too difficult to do himself. However his 'training' to self administer injections must have taken all of 5 minutes.

Where on earth do you get a figure of £100 per injection? My husband has 15 injections a week.....ludicrous to suggest administering these would cost £1500 a week.

I have a close friend who USED to be a district nurse and indeed the cost of a district nurse coming to a persons home to give them injections IS about £100 - you need to take into account the nurses time, administrative persons time for organising the district nurse, the nurses mileage etc

These are the TRUE costs of the "free" NHS service - my friend gave up being a district nurse because she was fed up of calling out to peoples home to give diabetics their insulin injections when they couldn't be bothered, because people were often OUT when she called - she said there was very little NURSING to be done, most of the calls people could do things for themselves or go to their GP practice to have done

Obviously there were genuinely housebound people who needed the service, but their care was being rationed because of the amount of time wasters she had to visit.

She said that it was one of the biggest waste of resources within the NHS because it was abused so much by lazy people.

krisskross

kazzah60 wrote: »

I have a close friend who USED to be a district nurse and indeed the cost of a district nurse coming to a persons home to give them injections IS about £100 - you need to take into account the nurses time, administrative persons time for organising the district nurse, the nurses mileage etc

These are the TRUE costs of the "free" NHS service - my friend gave up being a district nurse because she was fed up of calling out to peoples home to give diabetics their insulin injections when they couldn't be bothered, because people were often OUT when she called - she said there was very little NURSING to be done, most of the calls people could do things for themselves or go to their GP practice to have done

Obviously there were genuinely housebound people who needed the service, but their care was being rationed because of the amount of time wasters she had to visit.

She said that it was one of the biggest waste of resources within the NHS because it was abused so much by lazy people.

So according to this a district nurse working 37 hours a week earning approx £500 will only be able to administer 5 injections a week! Absolute tosh!

Wee_Willy_Harris

krisskross wrote: »

So according to this a district nurse working 37 hours a week earning approx £500 will only be able to administer 5 injections a week! Absolute tosh!

That's right, as long as you completely ignore the costs of travel to the patient, the cost of support for the nurse, the cost of administration, the cost of the drug, the cost of the method of delivery, the cost of appropriate insurances, the cost of training the nurse, the cost of accommodating the nurse/drug/support staff, the cost of the IT, the cost of the DR to recommend such a method of treatment, etc etc etc. £100 a pop is probably quite a conservative estimate.

krisskross

Wee_Willy_Harris wrote: »

That's right, as long as you completely ignore the costs of travel to the patient, the cost of support for the nurse, the cost of administration, the cost of the drug, the cost of the method of delivery, the cost of appropriate insurances, the cost of training the nurse, the cost of accommodating the nurse/drug/support staff, the cost of the IT, the cost of the DR to recommend such a method of treatment, etc etc etc. £100 a pop is probably quite a conservative estimate.

The cost of the drug will be exactly the same no matter who administers it.As will the cost of the needle, syringe etc. Routine medication which is what District Nurses will administer will only require 1 set up, so will not attract an admin charge for each and every dose. The nurse will be trained and insured anyway. Travel costs for nurses will be within a fairly tight area I would imagine so at 20p(?) a mile will not be extortionate.

Wee_Willy_Harris

krisskross wrote: »

The cost of the drug will be exactly the same no matter who administers it.As will the cost of the needle, syringe etc. Routine medication which is what District Nurses will administer will only require 1 set up, so will not attract an admin charge for each and every dose. The nurse will be trained and insured anyway. Travel costs for nurses will be within a fairly tight area I would imagine so at 20p(?) a mile will not be extortionate.

In that case, you need to deduct from the £100 the cost of patient transport, the cost of providing hospital admin, the cost of providing hospital space, the cost of providing hospital support services, etc etc etc. I still think £100 a pop is a conservative estimate.

krisskross

So can we have our £1500 a week please? Could be more if his diabetes needs extra input.

This is the reasoning of the madhouse that people manipulate to prove that 'carers' should get hundreds of £s a week.

kazzah60

krisskross wrote: »

The cost of the drug will be exactly the same no matter who administers it.As will the cost of the needle, syringe etc. Routine medication which is what District Nurses will administer will only require 1 set up, so will not attract an admin charge for each and every dose. The nurse will be trained and insured anyway. Travel costs for nurses will be within a fairly tight area I would imagine so at 20p(?) a mile will not be extortionate.

but there will be reports to file of who had what medication, when, how it was administered - prescriptions for the medication
and in the case of a patient having TWO visits per day to administer two insulin injections that involves TWO lots of administration and paperwork and report filling
Nurses can't just take prescription drugs out without any kind of paperwork - they MUST account for when and where they were used- there is a cost to all of these procedures

and of course a community nurse can administer more than 5 injections per week - I was NOT saying the NURSE gets paid £100 per injection - but that the cost of providing the SERVICE and all of the associated paperwork and costs to the service will cost the NHS at least £100 per injection

Wee_Willy_Harris

krisskross wrote: »

So can we have our £1500 a week please? Could be more if his diabetes needs extra input.

This is the reasoning of the madhouse that people manipulate to prove that 'carers' should get hundreds of £s a week.

No, you can't have your £1500 a week, because the caree will be dead. Either that, or far more than £1500 a week will be spent on privately funded care.

By comparison, how much is it to call a plumber out now?

krisskross

kazzah60 wrote: »

but there will be reports to file of who had what medication, when, how it was administered - prescriptions for the medication
and in the case of a patient having TWO visits per day to administer two insulin injections that involves TWO lots of administration and paperwork and report filling
Nurses can't just take prescription drugs out without any kind of paperwork - they MUST account for when and where they were used- there is a cost to all of these procedures

and of course a community nurse can administer more than 5 injections per week - I was NOT saying the NURSE gets paid £100 per injection - but that the cost of providing the SERVICE and all of the associated paperwork and costs to the service will cost the NHS at least £100 per injection

Patients having routine injections at home will get supplies by the usual route, as a prescription. The nurse does not trundle round her patch with loads of medication. Each patient keeps their own supply.

As a nurse I used to administer approx 50-60 intravenous injections and infusions per shift. No way did it cost £6000 just for me to administer injections on each of my shifts.

pipkin71

This PDF suggests a community nurse carrying out a home visit [2007] cost the NHS £24 per visit.

http://guidance.nice.org.uk/nicemedia/live/12059/42132/42132.PDF