Who are we?

wageslave

Who are you ready to die for macaque?

Your children? Your country? Me?

Sign a petion for a foreigner. You will still sleep safely in your bed tonight and nothing will change for her.

But you can add your voice to hers.

http://www.change.org/petitions/protect-eman-al-obaidi-from-gaddafi-regime#?opt_new=f&opt_fb=t

macaque_2

wageslave wrote: »

I sort of know what macaque meant without agreeing with a word the prat typed.

Who would I sacrifice myself for?

To put not to fine a point on it, who is worth dying for?

Would I die for my children?

In a heartbeat.
I'd throw myself at whatever danger presented itself and not look back.
Would I die for the man in the street?
Uuuuuum. No sorry, your on your own.
But if I know him, if he is a child. The little boy next door.
Would I die for him?
Maybe
I think the monkey meant (or at least I hope he meant) that society had become so fragmented, so isolated that we had forgotten who and what we are. And a tribe is just a bigger family.
Would I die for my tribe?
No way Hosay.
But then I have never pretended to be any kind of hero........

Wageslave, I have never made a complaint about another poster and never will. If I was to choose one post in 5 years to make a complaint about however, this would be it.

macaque_2

Cleaver wrote: »

Can you give me some examples? I travel a lot too and don't really understand what you mean. I think Britain is as British as France is French and as Germany is German. Or is this not what you mean?

"British jobs for British people" doesn't really mean anything does it? It's just a phrase that people say which I guess means something about wanting people who are born here to work in jobs here. Or does it? I'm not really sure.

My understanding of the job market is that we're in the EU and anyone in the EU can work anywhere within it. So if you can get a job in France then that's fine, or if someone from France can get a job here then that's fine. Then there are jobs that we find it hard to recruit to (nurses and doctors spring to mind) so we have a work permit system. I don't know of any other countries that don't have these and people who move in to these jobs have to be qualified to do them. Then we have other jobs that you simply aren't allowed to employ anyone in who isn't from the EU, because they don't attract a work permit and this is defined nationally.

So, with this in mind, what does "British jobs for British people" mean? As far as I can tell, British people can go for, and get, and job in this country that they choose too. I imagine that most companies would prefer to recruit a British person over a foreign national where they can too, based on the British and EU person both being similar in terms of experience, skills and competence.

British jobs for British people means companies like Tescos training up school leavers to be store managers rather than advertising the jobs in Eastern Europe.

Cleaver

macaque wrote: »

British jobs for British people means companies like Tescos training up school leavers to be store managers rather than advertising the jobs in Eastern Europe.

http://www.24dash.com/news/communities/2011-03-12-Tesco-advertising-in-Slovakia-for-store-managers

A company spokeswoman said: "At Tesco we always try to recruit staff from local communities. In spite of intensive local recruitment drives and advertising, we can't always fill vacancies so we have to widen our search. It is much more expensive for us to recruit UK staff from elsewhere in Europe, and that's another reason why we only do this as a last resort."

Okay, let's say I work in HR for Tescos and I need store managers. What are the advantages of employing Brits over Solvaks? Four main ones spring to mind:

1) The wage will be the same whatever the nationality, so it's presumably much cheaper to employ locally than it is to do a massive recruitment drive overseas.
2) Brits will, presumably, know the culture and Tesco brand in the UK more than those from abroad, so less training.
3) The public (people like you) generally prefer businesses to employ local, British people. Shoppers don't tend to like their shops full of foreigners because (like you) they'd prefer Brits to work there.
4) British people tend to speak English better than foreign nationals, so I think this is an advantage to someone working in a service industry.

So, there are clear economic advantages to Tesco to recruit here. They're not going to employ Slovaks just for the sake of it, as they know it annoys people like you. So why do they do it? Well as the spokesman said they obviously, for whatever reason, struggle to attract British people to work in these jobs. Maybe it's the pay, maybe it's the calibre of people, maybe it's the fact that Slovaks are 'better' at the jobs that the Brits... who knows? But logic tells you that there must be a sound reason for it. Tesco have said that it's a 'last resort'.

I guess you could force Tesco to employ Brits, but for what purpose? It seems to me that if Tesco are forced to do this then the issue is with the British education system, not with Tesco.

You know, I actually went in Tesco on Friday night, but I'm not proud of it. I was with a group of friends, we needed something (okay, a bottle of vodka), and I went in. The lad that served me, a Brit, about 19, spent the entire transaction chatting to his mate on the other till. I always think it's amazing when someone manages to serve you without saying a single word to you, it's simply beyond rude. He didn't tell me how much the bill came to and I had a view of his back as I paid with my card. He also swore repeatedly in his conversation with his mate. Yet this chap has a job. I shudder to think about the ones who don't get jobs in Tesco, presumably they'd spit in your face and p*ss on your shoes.

wageslave

macaque wrote: »

Wageslave, I have never made a complaint about another poster and never will. If I was to choose one post in 5 years to make a complaint about however, this would be it.

Dont let history stand in your way

What is five years? A blink in the eye

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I would consider it, well not an honour exactly but certainly not an embarassment to be reported by you.

Wow, I have ARRIVED