dmg24 wrote: »
Unless they gained some new authority overnight, the OFT cannot order anyone to do anything.
squeaky wrote: »
While it's probably true to say that some people don't read the T&C's - it has to be said that many of them make hard (or dead boring) reading. There is a case for making them easier to read and understand... that way, perhaps, more people will read them.
That said, this board was opened to try and help folks where we can regardless of circumstances rather than give them a hard time about what they did or didn't read.Almost by definition - by the time they reach here they've already learned that lesson for themselves... the hard way.
As you, and other members, have pointed out elsewhere - sometimes the company T&C's win the day and that's all there is to it.
But sheesh! the darn things can be hard work!
dmg24 wrote: »
Can you point out an example of terms and conditions from a mainstream retailer that are difficult to understand? I can't look at this from a lay point of view, so would be interested to know what others think are hard work.
You agree that the rights you grant above are irrevocable during the entire period of protection of your intellectual property rights associated with such content and material. You agree to waive your right to be identified as the author of such content and your right to object to derogatory treatment of such content. You agree to perform all further acts necessary to perfect any of the above rights granted by you to Amazon.co.uk, including the execution of deeds and documents, at the request of Amazon.co.uk.
You represent and warrant that you own or otherwise control all of the rights to the content that you post; that, as at the date that the content or material is submitted to Amazon.co.uk: (i) the content and material is accurate; (ii) use of the content and material you supply does not breach any applicable Amazon.co.uk policies or guidelines and will not cause injury to any person or entity (including that the content or material is not defamatory). You agree to indemnify Amazon.co.uk and its affiliates for all claims brought by a third party against Amazon.co.uk or its affiliates arising out of or in connection with a breach of any of these warranties.
26. Governing law and jurisdiction
These conditions are governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg, and the application of the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods is expressly excluded. You agree, as we do, to submit to the non-exclusive jurisdiction of the courts of the district of Luxembourg City.
fthl wrote: »
Bo-one reads t's and c's. Honestly, I rarely do, and I really should know better. That's the problem.http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/04/15/online-shoppers-unknowingly-sold-souls/
squeaky wrote: »
I'll do my best.
By the time I got to section 5 of this my brain was spinning and my eyes were beginning to cross...http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=footer_cou?ie=UTF8&nodeId=1040616
So towards the end of section 7 the following (referring to user's rights on posting comment/reviews)
That's section 7 and there are a total of a numbered 27 which in turn are followed by a whole bunch of notices.
Then in section 13 there are links to two more sets of T&C's I need to read...
Aha! 14 and 15... the ones of most interest to me. Nice and straightforward actually - but I wish they'd been the first ones.
Section 22 seems to say "reasonable" a lot - which kinda means "somewhat flexible" to me. Especially since the back half of that one seems to be saying "you've got no chance".
Does that mean that UK laws don't apply? Do I have to go read Luxembourgs laws? What bit of the U.N. stuff that is excluded might have been of some help to me if it hadn't been excluded?
And I'm sorry but the Notice of Infringement stuff and whatever follows it is just too much hard work to go through right now. It's been a long day.
Has this been of any help?
New plans have just been announced by the Government
DON'T assume your landlord covers you
Incl £2ish sun cream & £1.50 disposable BBQs