Driving on Provisional License

Jakg

So she get less than a speeding ticket? What!?

Lirin

Wasn't going to comment on this, but the end result was a bit ridiculous. Don't know the OP's wife's circumstances, or even whether she knew what restrictions she had as a learner. If she didn't know the restrictions- she's not paying enough attention. If she does know the restrictions- she's a little disrespectful.
Regardless of that, the end result- the actual fine etc- that's pretty poor.
It's not making a mistake- I knew as a learner I could only go out with a passenger who'd held a licence for 3 years. It was highlightedin bold in some of the first paperwork I was given. I knew the speed restrictions I had (Is it the same in England? 45mph for a learner? I know there's a couple of differences between NI and England for learners and new drivers). I knew what roads I was/wasn't allowed on, etc. It's part and parcel of driving- the theory notes alone told you of the restrictions at some point.

The only circumstance I would ever, ever have considered driving as a learner without the proper rules being followed would have to have been extreme.

SaLoGo

£45 fine? That's cheaper than my monthly premium!!

thenudeone

Flyboy152 wrote: »

A car can be jointly owned

Absolutely. Unlike some other countries, there is no central registration of vehicle ownership in the UK. In case of dispute, it's up to the (usually civil) courts to decide who owns a vehicle, based on a variety of factors.

That's why it says in big letters on every registration document "the registered keeper is not necessarily the legal owner" (or very similar)

Which makes it difficult for one part of a couple to be convicted of TWOC on a car registered in the other party's name if the driver claims joint ownership.

andygb

Is this thread a wind up or something?
First of all, the OPs wife has broken the law, by driving unsupervised on a public highway with Prov. licence. Then she has an accident, which of course, she would not be insured against because of the above.
Then she gets a £45 fine????
I would personally like to see cars scrapped for this type of offence, because the rest of us pay our way in life, so the people who do not pay their way should be taught a lesson.
Sorry if the OP doesn't like this, but I regard his wife as a criminal, no different to the multitude of Chavs who drive around uninsered and without licences.

luvsnail

andygb wrote: »

I would personally like to see cars scrapped for this type of offence, because the rest of us pay our way in life, so the people who do not pay their way should be taught a lesson.

I pretty much broke the bank paying for driving lessons, tests and insurance (the latter being an ongoing bank-breaker). I'm sure most other drivers know the feeling. It is disheartening to think that I could have saved all that money and just put aside £45 to pay my way out of trouble if I happened to drive into the back of someone!

Unlicensed and uninsured drivers are a menace to society that we really should be clamping down on, but 3 points and a £45 fine isn't going to deter anyone!

mikey72

andygb wrote: »

Is this thread a wind up or something?
First of all, the OPs wife has broken the law, by driving unsupervised on a public highway with Prov. licence. Then she has an accident, which of course, she would not be insured against because of the above.
Then she gets a £45 fine????
I would personally like to see cars scrapped for this type of offence, because the rest of us pay our way in life, so the people who do not pay their way should be taught a lesson.
Sorry if the OP doesn't like this, but I regard his wife as a criminal, no different to the multitude of Chavs who drive around uninsered and without licences.

She was actually.

Flyboy152

I wonder if the other driver suing the OP's wife for damages.

soccermom

I find it hard to believe that a learner driver can have so little knowledge about the facts of driving on a provisional.

My 17 year old son due to take his test this month knows he can't just take my car and drive it without my knowledge, without insurance or without L plates.

In fact today we have purchased provisional learner insurance so he can get some extra practice and HE even brought a bunch of L plates in to put on the car, which he scrounged off his mates.

He also knows he can only drive on this insurance with his dad.

Ignorance about driving is not an excuse.

Tell that do the bloke near me who was killed by an uninsured driver who had not passed his test leaving behind twin boys.

Strange that its teenage boys facing the highest insurance brackets.

mikey72

Flyboy152 wrote: »

I wonder if the other driver suing the OP's wife for damages.

Probably not, the insurance has already paid him out.

bitemarx wrote: »

Time for an update: She got 3 points on her license and a fine of £45. Insurance company has investigated the accident and paid the other guy £250. My wife's insurance premium has increased by £10 a month. My insurance premium (for some weird reason) has decreased by £20 a month.

Huge relief.

Thanks for all the scaremongering on this thread!
There was just one sensible person who actually took the trouble to send a private message to me and describe what she thought would be the likely outcome, and she was pretty much bang on target.

Thanks again to those who actually made sensible suggestions.