Overheard in Poundworld today.

Kajimba

Sorry Pete 111, but I have just experienced a situation where employee 2 was made redundant and employee 1 was kept on. Also, being employee 2 has cost me thousands of pounds over my life so far: I've just tried to work it out, it's a minimum of 7k.

Pete111

Kajimba wrote: »

Sorry Pete 111, but I have just experienced a situation where employee 2 was made redundant and employee 1 was kept on. Also, being employee 2 has cost me thousands of pounds over my life so far: I've just tried to work it out, it's a minimum of 7k.

Sorry to hear that. A very odd decision indeed and not one I or most others would have taken with two otherwise equal employees.

custardy

Pete111 wrote: »

Sorry to hear that. A very odd decision indeed and not one I or most others would have taken with two otherwise equal employees.

you have obviously never worked somewhere where its a face fits environment.
folks who do little seem to get on and the grafters are left to carry the burden.

Pete111

custardy wrote: »

you have obviously never worked somewhere where its a face fits environment.
folks who do little seem to get on and the grafters are left to carry the burden.

Nope, seen that too. Seen a lot I guess!

I stand by my comments and example - they reflect the thought processes by HR/Mgt in the majority of scenarios I have personally overseen or experienced

LJM

i think at the end of the day it is the lads choice how do you know for a start that he didnt have hours to make up,but i agree with the clauses i have worked unpaid after hours to finish off the work which i personally didnt mind,having paid employment was the most important thing everyone has bills/rent/morgage to pay and it wasnt all the time just if we has big deliveries due in or functions.

Gordon_Hose

If they don't want to pay him they could give him TOIL.

Lily_Marlene

Pete111 wrote: »

Lets take 2 employees

One turns up at 9am, works until lunch when they take exactly one hour and refuse to schedule meetings etc during this time. At the end of the day they leave at 5,30pm on the dot come what may. When asked at 5pm if they can do an important and urgent piece of work that will take an hour they say 'sorry, I can't get it to you until tomorrow'

The other often turns up a little early for work, sometimes works a short lunch break depending on what is happening that day and tends to leave between 5.30 and 6pm. When asked at 5pm if they can do an important and urgent piece of work that will take an hour they reply that they will get right on it and complete the task that day before heading home.

All things being equal, which employee gets made redundant? (hint, It's not employee 2)

I can tell you this makes a difference. I know this because as an HR Director I make people redundant quite a lot (sadly) and this sort of thing is quite often quoted by Mgrs when making a case for one candidate to get the the chop over another.

On the other hand, showing willing and hard work is noticed also. We have a large number of unpaid internships here. The better ones often get offered full time roles.

Just telling it as I see it!

In my experience especially in larger companies or government institutions such as the NHS etc..it makes no difference whether you work hard and are diligent or just do enough to get by. You get paid the same and treated the same. Try pointing that out to managers and they will side step it by saying..well all people are different and have different work rates..blah blah blah..

So the upshot is..you have to kiss the managers !!! to keep your job.

katkim

Pete111 wrote: »

Lets take 2 employees

One turns up at 9am, works until lunch when they take exactly one hour and refuse to schedule meetings etc during this time. At the end of the day they leave at 5,30pm on the dot come what may. When asked at 5pm if they can do an important and urgent piece of work that will take an hour they say 'sorry, I can't get it to you until tomorrow'

The other often turns up a little early for work, sometimes works a short lunch break depending on what is happening that day and tends to leave between 5.30 and 6pm. When asked at 5pm if they can do an important and urgent piece of work that will take an hour they reply that they will get right on it and complete the task that day before heading home.

All things being equal, which employee gets made redundant? (hint, It's not employee 2)

I can tell you this makes a difference. I know this because as an HR Director I make people redundant quite a lot (sadly) and this sort of thing is quite often quoted by Mgrs when making a case for one candidate to get the the chop over another.

On the other hand, showing willing and hard work is noticed also. We have a large number of unpaid internships here. The better ones often get offered full time roles.

Just telling it as I see it!

I think flexibility is important and I think employees should be willing to help out from time to time - say to cover for someone who's rung in sick or if there was an urgent deadline.

It's a different matter when employers expected an employee to work for nothing as a norm.

One is good working practice, the other is just taking the mick. There's got to be a balance.

GothicStirling

SHIPSHAPE wrote: »

More fool you I say.

When I had a crappy job I was looking elsewhere.

What I neglected to say was that I walked out the next day.:p

(I was at Uni at the time, wouldn't do that now.)

Lily_Marlene

katkim wrote: »

I think flexibility is important and I think employees should be willing to help out from time to time - say to cover for someone who's rung in sick or if there was an urgent deadline.

It's a different matter when employers expected an employee to work for nothing as a norm.

One is good working practice, the other is just taking the mick. There's got to be a balance.

Indeed..for example,you shouldnt be driven to work longer and later as a simple substitute for lack of staff. Some companies run with too few staff and expect those who are there to work more and more to cover the shortfall. Sometimes they serve up extra shifts for you to do but with no extra pay and at the same time,if you refuse or are unable to do them,they take money off you !

Heads they win,tails you lose.