Can I book holiday in next leave year now?

DVardysShadow

Googlewhacker wrote: »

There is no guarantee the letter forces the situation and as the OP has been told they could just refuse to make the decision until the beginning of the new holiday year and then what do you get?

An annoyed manager thats what.

Your holiday is more important than the sensitivities of an indecisive manager. As I read the guidance from ACAS, you actually give notice of taking your leave. Therefore, if they don't refuse it, you have it. Of course, they could refuse or change their minds at the last moment.

No matter how much people are used as doormats by management, people should not stand for being mucked around by indecisive managers. The inability of the manager in this case to make a decision is indefensible. So all we have is an annoyed manager whose annoyance is indefensible.

Googlewhacker

DVardysShadow wrote: »

Your holiday is more important than the sensitivities of an indecisive manager. As I read the guidance from ACAS, you actually give notice of taking your leave. Therefore, if they don't refuse it, you have it. Of course, they could refuse or change their minds at the last moment.

No matter how much people are used as doormats by management, people should not stand for being mucked around by indecisive managers. The inability of the manager in this case to make a decision is indefensible. So all we have is an annoyed manager whose annoyance is indefensible.

But he has made a decision and that is no decision will be made until the new holiday year....its a crap decision but that is the decision and the OP knows it.

We are going round in circles so I am leaving it now.

Cheers

DVardysShadow

Googlewhacker wrote: »

But he has made a decision and that is no decision will be made until the new holiday year....its a crap decision but that is the decision and the OP knows it.

We are going round in circles so I am leaving it now.

Cheers

That is not a decision, not even a crap decision, it is procrastination. And for all he could be annoyed if OP presses for a proper decision, this sort of manager deserves no respect for a non decision. I would have more respect for a straight No

liney

DVardysShadow wrote: »

That is not a decision, not even a crap decision, it is procrastination. And for all he could be annoyed if OP presses for a proper decision, this sort of manager deserves no respect for a non decision. I would have more respect for a straight No

He made a decision; he said no.

For all you know it's a computerised booking which isn't 'open' to users until the 1st April, meaning the Manager can't book even if he wanted to.

DVardysShadow

liney wrote: »

He made a decision; he said no.

For all you know it's a computerised booking which isn't 'open' to users until the 1st April, meaning the Manager can't book even if he wanted to.

Trump card: "Computer says No." That would be pathetic. It is perfectly possible to implement ineffective and obstructive systems with computers. This would be an example.

The manager made no decision, he did never said No, he just refused to book it and did this in such a way that discussion of alternatives was was precluded.

Emmzi

what if there is a long tradition of those with longest service book first, or oldest, or it rotates, and bookings open same day every year to be fair to everyone? What if you dont know your school's in service days more than a term in advance? etc

There may be many reasons he is unwilling to look at leave yet. Not all make the manager useless or evil.

Wellery82

We can't book annual leave for the next year. I am told that it is because we need a cut off point for consistency and fairness - otherwise someone can start booking up years ahead if they really want which starts a silly process and doesn't give new staff the same opportunities. Our system actually blocks it so the only thing a manager could do is an informal agreement.

All i did at my place was to check whether anyone had informally asked for time off in advance, when i heard they hadn't i logged the date i could book it on, and did it very first thing that morning. Could you not just have a chat and explain your intent to book and the difficulty it puts you under, say whilst you realise they can't officially do anything do they think there is a way around this?

DVardysShadow

Emmzi wrote: »

what if there is a long tradition of those with longest service book first, or oldest, or it rotates, and bookings open same day every year to be fair to everyone? ...

There may be many reasons he is unwilling to look at leave yet. Not all make the manager useless or evil.

OP does not mention these possibilities. We are less than 6 weeks from the start of the holiday year in which the OP wishes to book this holiday. Whatever long tradition there is, the booking season for this summer should be well and truly open and everyone with privilege should have long since either made their decision or passed on taking up their privilege.

I just cannot believe the number of people who are thanking the defence of such dysfunctional holiday booking.

Emmzi

in fairness OP hasn't been back since they asked the original question so hasn't clarified either way

telboyo

It could be that the manager is just trying to pretend he is more important than he really is. I used to have a line manager that would reflexively respond to leave requests like a dodgy car mechanic. Sharp intake of breath followed by " I don't know about that , how is it worth to you or other similar ridiculous statements, without even looking at the dates.

My response would always be the same " That's OK please sign the refusal slip" (Most of the time they were random requests for leave I did not need or want)
If we wanted to carry over more than 10 days holiday we had to make a special case to HR. My case consisted of a stack of leave refusall forms- result 4 weeks leave carried over 1 embarrassed line Manager and 6 weeks off the following summer.