At Last!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Londonsu

Wee_Willy_Harris wrote: »

No. THAT'S excercising choice. The fact remains that HB/LHA is a benefit entitlement paid to the claimant which can be spent in whatever way the claimant feels appropriate, in much the same way as every other benefit. It's about taking personal responsibility and being treated like an adult. We ALL have choices, and those choices have consequences. Why should benefit claimants be devoid of the same responsibilities the rest of the country has?

No its not housing benefit is for HOUSING - the clue is in the name

What is housing benefit?

Housing benefit, or rent allowance as it is sometimes called, is paid by the council to help people pay their rent

taken from Shelters website

mchale

Wee_Willy_Harris wrote: »

No. THAT'S excercising choice. The fact remains that HB/LHA is a benefit entitlement paid to the claimant which can be spent in whatever way the claimant feels appropriate, in much the same way as every other benefit. It's about taking personal responsibility and being treated like an adult. We ALL have choices, and those choices have consequences. Why should benefit claimants be devoid of the same responsibilities the rest of the country has?

What weird moral values you have, housing benefit is paid to a claimant to fulfill a contract that the claimant has taken up with a LL, if that money is not used to pay the LL then the claimant has committed fraud and or theft, and if you look at the bigger picture it has been financed by honest law abiding citizens who pay their taxes, so why should these people subsided the little s***s who steal.

Wee_Willy_Harris

mchale wrote: »

What weird moral values you have, housing benefit is paid to a claimant to fulfill a contract that the claimant has taken up with a LL, if that money is not used to pay the LL then the claimant has committed fraud and or theft, and if you look at the bigger picture it has been financed by honest law abiding citizens who pay their taxes, so why should these people subsided the little s***s who steal.

Because the LAW says that HB/LHA claimants can use the entitlement for whatever they see fit. Their rent liability remains, as does the threat of eviction, so I fail to see where the taxpayer is subsidising their actions. Whatever they do with the money, their entitlement to it remains.

Londonsu

Wee_Willy_Harris wrote: »

Because the LAW says that HB/LHA claimants can use the entitlement for whatever they see fit. Their rent liability remains, as does the threat of eviction, so I fail to see where the taxpayer is subsidising their actions. Whatever they do with the money, their entitlement to it remains.

Then send us a link where it says that please as all the sites I have seen make it clear that HB is for housing only including the shelter one I have already posted


And yes the tax payer IS subsidising their actions where do you think the money comes from.

If my sister can see this very clearly why cant you.

Wee_Willy_Harris

Londonsu wrote: »

Then send us a link where it says that please as all the sites I have seen make it clear that HB is for housing only including the shelter one I have already posted


And yes the tax payer IS subsidising their actions where do you think the money comes from.

If my sister can see this very clearly why cant you.

The taxpayer may be subsidising their entitlement, but that entitlement (and rent liability) remains regardless of what they choose to do with their HB/LHA award.

dizziblonde

B_Blank wrote: »

It is easy to dismiss people with general greiveneces as "having a chip on your shoulder". I disagree with the surpression of young people, and the sheltering of landlords and housing speculators.

Yet you think thats a chip on my shoulder I guess? I suppose you think anti stalin and Hitler protestors just had a "chip on their shoulder" - I mean the state is always correct and fair right? Maybe you think the people in the middle east have a chip on their shoudlers to demand freedom and democracy?

OMG comparing landlords to HItler and Stalin... heard it all now. There's an entire forest growing on your shoulder - not just a chip.

Lemme guess - Govt should hand out a giftwrapped house to you that you own upon emergence from the womb? Work for what you get - don't like it - tough banana to be honest. I rented for a decade - don't begrudge it, was what I needed to do at that place in my life.

Whatever happened to not expecting life handed to you on a plate? People these days who expect instant home ownership, expect instant fully matching designer furniture and the like - it's got ridiculous.

dizziblonde

Also have a lot of time for the crackdown on those tenants who do, quite frankly take the mickey. Had years of it with a family member who couldn't get into her head that paying for the roof over your head is the PRIORITY in your budget and would run up arrears and play the eviction brinkmanship, backed with the full force of the benefit system - she needed the shock of her actions having consequences, and because that didn't happen - she never really learnt that lesson till this day. That did no one any long-term benefit - not her (and she's the sort that if she'd had that initial shock she would have learnt her lesson) and not the landlords she mucked around, and not my immediate family who were forever having to bail out her scrapes.

Londonsu

Wee_Willy_Harris wrote: »

The taxpayer may be subsidising their entitlement, but that entitlement (and rent liability) remains regardless of what they choose to do with their HB/LHA award.

Sorry you forgot to attach the link that proves a person can use their HB for what ever they want - in your own time - but today would be good

Wee_Willy_Harris

Londonsu wrote: »

Sorry you forgot to attach the link that proves a person can use their HB for what ever they want - in your own time - but today would be good

Legislation is as much about what it DOESN'T say, as what it does. There is no compulsion within the current LHA/HB legislation to use any award to pay your rent exclusively.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2006/213/contents/made

Londonsu

Wee_Willy_Harris wrote: »

Legislation is as much about what it DOESN'T say, as what it does. There is no compulsion within the current LHA/HB legislation to use any award to pay your rent exclusively.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2006/213/contents/made

Yeah right

There is nothing in it to say you must use your HB to pay your rent and nothing to say you dont have to. A get out clause for the !!!!less IMO

I would suggest you look at the DWP website and their list of what HB does not cover and ergo should not be claimed for or used for.

these include

Water
Council tax
Furniture
and Fuel

I will still say that people who take tax payers money for rent should use that money for that purpose hopefully the law will be changed to ensure that they do so.

No-one wants to see families on the street, but if those same families dont pay their landlords what is owed even though they are given money to do so, then they only have themselves to blame, you call it taking personal responsibility I call it being dishonest

dont think we will agree on this somehow