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DVLA Fine SORN
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I don't believe you have offended anyone. I think we all would rather not pay, but I pointed out the risk of making a untruthful statement could get you a more serious criminal conviction. It seems you have been very unlucky that somehow they picked you up while being on the road for such a little amount of time! However we have seen this before, don't now how they do it but they do! These days of ANPR and other surveillance is rather worrying!
Not knowing how they know is the problem. As you would have to deny it being on the road to challenge it. If they then produced evidence, it would make you look foolish! I think you are best biting the bullet and putting it down to experience! If you haven't disposed of the car make sure whoever you sell it too signs your V5 before they put it near the road again!
I see Peter is wondering like me how they seem to know.:cool:0 -
peter_the_piper wrote: »Actually, to me this is even more worrying than before. There have been a few cases similar to this recently where the poster has just driven onto the road and back again in a quiet cul-de-sac or similar. Either the dvla have millions of anpr cameras down every road or something else is going on. I can't believe that they are just cruising around looking for untaxed cars.
Its really baffled me.0 -
I don't believe you have offended anyone. I think we all would rather not pay, but I pointed out the risk of making a untruthful statement could get you a more serious criminal conviction. It seems you have been very unlucky that somehow they picked you up while being on the road for such a little amount of time! However we have seen this before, don't now how they do it but they do! These days of ANPR and other surveillance is rather worrying!
Not knowing how they know is the problem. As you would have to deny it being on the road to challenge it. If they then produced evidence, it would make you look foolish! I think you are best biting the bullet and putting it down to experience! If you haven't disposed of the car make sure whoever you sell it too signs your V5 before they put it near the road again!
I see Peter is wondering like me how they seem to know.:cool:
Yes very worrying. Will do, thanks0 -
Mike you haven't been fined yet, you are now being charged for your road tax for the period, I believe the fine will follow in a few weeks, and that will probably be more than what you are paying now, be happy if someone says I am wrong.Excel Parking, MET Parking, Combined Parking Solutions, VP Parking Solutions, ANPR PC Ltd, & Roxburghe Debt Collectors. What do they all have in common?
They are all or have been suspended from accessing the DVLA database for gross misconduct!
Do you really need to ask what kind of people run parking companies?0 -
Thank you all for your helpful comments.
I have decided to pay this fine anyway even though I think it is very unjust, but let me be completely honest with you all and explain what happened:
The incident occurred on the Monday, when I drove the car off my driveway for a few metres only on my own road/B] to check it was still working properly as I wanted to sell it (which I did on the Friday).
I assume you don't actually (legally) own the road?Since it had a flat tyre I turned around immediately and stuck it back on my driveway.
How was the flat tyre not visible while it was on your drive? Was it hiding?So I did not ever leave the road I live on,
What does that have to do with anything? You hadn't paid the tax to be able to drive on any (public) road!which is which I find it extremely strange that the DVLA picked me up for driving it. Maybe its possible they have some sort of camera or device on my road? Its a reasonably big road so I guess its not completely out of the question.
Having been so angry at receiving this letter my immediate reaction was to try and find a way out of paying this fine (yes very wrong I know but I was really really angry because I am a law abiding citizen
No you're not. You broke the law by driving your car untaxed. Doesn't matter if it was 5 meters or 5 million miles, it's an absolute offence.and I know so many people that do much much worse with their cars
No defence.and all I did was move it a couple of metres on my own road to see it if worked before I sold it).
Is it your road then?Anyway I was investigating this 'pre booked MOT' idea, and wondered whether, if I could just get my local garage to vouch for me that I had an appointment for an MOT on the monday but did not turn up (since my tyre was flat) then whether the DVLA would have a record of pre booked MOTs or whether I could get away with it. As was suggested it is unlikely that the DVLA will have a record of pre booked MOTs but then they might take me to court which all sounds like a nightmare (even though I know for a fact I could get my local garage to vouch for me just that I had an appointment booked but didnt turn up).
I wish I could just be honest with them and tell them that the car only moved a couple of metres but I know that they would just laugh at me and tell me to pay the fine. As you can imagine these things are very frustrating so I aplogise if I have offended anyone.
Thank you all again for your helpful comments.
And so they should. You committed the offence. You've no choice but to pay up.I was born too late, into a world that doesn't care
Oh I wish I was a punk rocker with flowers in my hair0 -
Mike you haven't been fined yet, you are now being charged for your road tax for the period, I believe the fine will follow in a few weeks, and that will probably be more than what you are paying now, be happy if someone says I am wrong.
Im sorry I dont understand, the vehicle was declared as SORN and the letter is headed 'unlicensed vehicle' being used/kept on a public road unlicensed while a SORN declaration was in force. It then says that an out of court settlement of £93 is requested and if they do not receive payment they will take court action.
It then says "this offer does not affect any seperate penalty the police or courts may have imposed for any other offence. " Is this what you were referring to?
This incident took place at the end of December and this letter was received last week. Why do you think I am going to get a seperate fine of even more money?! This is turning into a nightmare now.0 -
I have seen others on here getting charged twice, first the dvla makes you pay for 6 months road tax, then you get a fpn or something similar in the post for using the vehicle untaxed on the road, I may be wrong on this , perhaps someone will say different?Excel Parking, MET Parking, Combined Parking Solutions, VP Parking Solutions, ANPR PC Ltd, & Roxburghe Debt Collectors. What do they all have in common?
They are all or have been suspended from accessing the DVLA database for gross misconduct!
Do you really need to ask what kind of people run parking companies?0 -
iamana1ias wrote: »I assume you don't actually (legally) own the road?
How was the flat tyre not visible while it was on your drive? Was it hiding?
What does that have to do with anything? You hadn't paid the tax to be able to drive on any (public) road!
No you're not. You broke the law by driving your car untaxed. Doesn't matter if it was 5 meters or 5 million miles, it's an absolute offence.
No defence.
Is it your road then?
And so they should. You committed the offence. You've no choice but to pay up.
Why bother even replying if you have nothing constructive to say ? The OP has asked for advice after making a mistake, he doesn't need a lecture from someone on a forum! I am sure that he will not make the same mistake again!Excel Parking, MET Parking, Combined Parking Solutions, VP Parking Solutions, ANPR PC Ltd, & Roxburghe Debt Collectors. What do they all have in common?
They are all or have been suspended from accessing the DVLA database for gross misconduct!
Do you really need to ask what kind of people run parking companies?0 -
It then says "this offer does not affect any seperate penalty the police or courts may have imposed for any other offence. " Is this what you were referring to?
This incident took place at the end of December and this letter was received last week. Why do you think I am going to get a seperate fine of even more money?! This is turning into a nightmare now.
DVLA have offered an out of court settlement for the offence of using your car on a public road whilst it is SORN, contrary to s.29 Vehicles Excise & Registration Act 1994.
You can expect another claim from them for any unpaid licence fee - s.30 of the same act.
What they mean by "this offer does not affect any seperate penalty the police or courts may have imposed for any other offence", is that their offer is only for the licensing matter, if there had been any other offences being dealt with by the Police etc. they would still be dealt with by them and would not be affected by the settlement offer.0 -
Rover_Driver wrote: »DVLA have offered an out of court settlement for the offence of using your car on a public road whilst it is SORN, contrary to s.29 Vehicles Excise & Registration Act 1994.
You can expect another claim from them for any unpaid licence fee - s.30 of the same act.
What they mean by "this offer does not affect any seperate penalty the police or courts may have imposed for any other offence", is that their offer is only for the licensing matter, if there had been any other offences being dealt with by the Police etc. they would still be dealt with by them and would not be affected by the settlement offer.
Ouch. So if my road tax ran at the end of September, the the offence was in December, I would have to pay 3 months of what it would have cost me to have road tax?
Thanks0
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