How to Get Through The Tough Times The Old Style Way.

babychick

joeck68 wrote: »

Just a thought

Can anyone recommend any OS remedies for tonsillitis - not sure if I can face any more prescriptions, and certainly can't afford any more, so I'm willing to give anything reasonable a try! I've already had a hot toddy, and a honey and lemon drink - any other idea's out there???

Oops - just read the 'medical advice' notes - will send you a pm!

Hope this helps and you get rid of your sore throat soon!x

lostinrates

ceridwen wrote: »

I HAD noticed that point and thought :eek::eek::eek:.
I am absolutely shocked and horrified to hear that people are now not going to be accepted as adults until 35!!!!:eek::eek::eek:

I'm early to mid thirties. My DH shares accommodation in London, and many of our friends do as singles and as couples. Including well paid people saving to buy and those who really don't earn enough to have another choice but earn too much for help/top up. TBH, I don't see why people who share because that's what they can afford should feel ''less adult'' and I don't see its a less legitimate form of providing accommodation for people. No one would argue its always desirable, or luxury or people's ambition in life....but it is what is available.

rachbc

LiR I agree - house sharing is fairly common especially in the capital amongst young professionals, and definitely no less of an adult option. We are in our late 30s and still have friends in shared houses.

lostinrates

rachbc wrote: »

LiR I agree - house sharing is fairly common especially in the capital amongst young professionals, and definitely no less of an adult option. We are in our late 30s and still have friends in shared houses.

Thanks. I thought maybe it was just me!:o When I was getting better from the extreme stage of being ill I worked as a solicitor's clerk. Filling in form B's with clients I used to get insanely cross and frankly gob smacked between what some people got and saw as rights and what they thought I and the young barristers I often worked with got. I remember one baby barrister and I almost weeping and laughing in a bar after a long day that our 20 year old client got a flat in Zone two and more financial help short term than we were earning at the time (it was admittedly a bad month) and while I was lucky enough to have good zone two housing she was sharing ....down the road from the client in a ''grottier'' estate.

The ''middle class'' among us probably would have been moved to have babies for help long before now if the disparity was a motivator (or a real help).

FWIW DH is considering moving to be a lodger not a sharer again in London, and I'm considering sharing with a lodger here so I'm not suggesting sharing is ok from a comfortable distance.

rachbc

I know LiR and it must be very tough adjusting if you have been used to things being a certain way - but if I lost my job I would have to sell my home and move somewhere smaller (or take in a lodger), if someone in rented accommodation looses there job they too may have to change their home to fit their new circumstances. Or perhaps some enterprising soul will come up with rent protection insurance that you pay like mortgage protection - to top up the HB/ LHA in the event of redundancy etc!

Of course when you consider that increasing nos of single person households is a major strain onhousing stock perhaps its no bad thing...

lostinrates

rachbc wrote: »

Of course when you consider that increasing nos of single person households is a major strain onhousing stock perhaps its no bad thing...

I'm also not a hundred percent convinced its bad for younger adults. DH and I are lucky that we moved into gether early...about 23/24. But we note how easy it is to get a bit set in our ways now they've grown together. I note my single friends are getting more and more particular and finding it harder to share with people they meet...having little rows over little things...things that never bothered them too much when we shared at uni or after that. I see the same with friends of my parents. I'm not sure that cohabiting successfully with people who won't give you your way because they are your family and love you or your partners and love you isn't in some ways very very good for personal development and growth.

ceridwen

lostinrates wrote: »

I'm also not a hundred percent convinced its bad for younger adults. DH and I are lucky that we moved into gether early...about 23/24. But we note how easy it is to get a bit set in our ways now they've grown together. I note my single friends are getting more and more particular and finding it harder to share with people they meet...having little rows over little things...things that never bothered them too much when we shared at uni or after that. I see the same with friends of my parents. I'm not sure that cohabiting successfully with people who won't give you your way because they are your family and love you or your partners and love you isn't in some ways very very good for personal development and growth.

I see the points you are making here.

Guess we all speak from our own perspective and our own generational viewpoint sometimes. So - I'm speaking from the viewpoint of my own generation (ie the Baby Boomers) and many of us would have been shocked at having to share when we hadnt decided to do so ourselves. My own personal decision was never to share except with an O.H. (if I found them). I'm too private a person and too unconventional a person to find sharing compatible with my personality (at any age:rotfl:). I often think that my life would have been easier in some ways if I were more "conventionally-minded" and didnt require so much "peace and quiet" and privacy.

People are whatever they are temperament-wise though and, after a while, it becomes too much of a struggle to force oneself into a "mould" that isnt appropriate to your own "style".

So - I do think its everyones right to have self-contained accommodation once they reach adulthood and its part of the rite of passage to adulthood to have that if they wish - whilst acknowledging that not everyone will regard it as on the "adulthood means....." list like I do personally. I am very aware that I was living in rented self-contained accommodation for some years prior to 35 and, if the Government had done that at that point, then I would have "stayed and starved" rather than moving - so I know that some peeps now under 35 will be in a similar position and they will also make the choice to "stay and starve" rather than "move to share". There would have been no choice for me anyway - I had a flat full of (decent) furniture and personal possessions that I would have refused to lose, so I would have had to stay anyway. I do feel concerned for those under 35s who are in the position I was in and are already living in flats and are concerned as to how they will keep what they ALREADY have if they become unemployed. I would have been going cold/going hungry/doing a bit of work in the "black economy" (something I've never done) and scared of getting caught for that whilst "doing my head in" reading up lawbooks about bringing an age discrimination claim against the Government (assuming the Age Discrimination Law had been in place at the time).

I had realised there might be a "hidden agenda" of trying to make accommodation spread around to do for more people - by making people "pal up and share" - but I tend to think it will backfire, as some people might choose other solutions to a problem like "how to stay put in my flat" (ie having a child they dont actually want - or at least...not yet).

So - not saying self-contained accommodation is something everyone SHOULD have - just saying its something everyone has the RIGHT to have if they choose to/need to and I dont agree with the Government forcing people into a lifestyle that may be incompatible with them personally.

So - sorrees if I didnae phrase myself too well on that....

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Perhaps we'd better pass onto other Times are Tough topics now...

Hardup_Hester

Re Tonsillitis, not medical advice, but I find sucking an ice cube soothing when mine flares up.
Hester

GreyQueen

Ooh, interesting debate over this thread when I was "offline" as usual after 4pm.

I'm in my late forties now and didn't have self contained accomodation (a flat within a house) until my early thirties. Didn't even own furniture or appliances until that time. Having left home at 16, I'd experienced a wide variety of shares, the good, the bad the blinking ugly. I'd wholeheartedly agree that it has a lot going for it when you are with sympatico peeps AND that it can be hell on earth when it goes wrong. One man I know was dragged from his bed in the early hours of the morning by the Police who'd followed a criminal housemate into their shared den; twas only the sleep creases on his face and his utter bemusement which convinced them that he wasn't the man they were looking for! And you really don't ever want to have bailiffs in your shared home trying to seize goods belonging to a housemate whilst you riffle thru your paperwork trying to prove said goods are yours not hers!

I don't think for a moment that the governement is evolved enough in their thinking to try to curb the number of single-occupier households on ecological grounds, this is purely about saving money and will only be applied to private tenants, not to those in LA or HA accomodation.

If I'd been working for 10-15 years and had built up my own household of appliances, furnishings, goods and chattels, I would be devastated to have to flog it all for peanuts and walk out with a few bags and boxes of misc and into a furnished room in a shared house. Given the price of storage, unless you could get freebie storage around some relative or friend's home, you couldn't afford to store your belongings. Then you get a job and start all over again? And then lose a job and lose everything?

Looking at it from the point of view of hard ecomonics, it is appalling and will ruin some people. Look at it from the point of view of an empathetic human being, and imagine the toll in mental health on those affected. It's treating a sector of the adult population in a highly discriminatory way and I also wonder if it is actually permissable under age discrimination law. We live in Interesting Times, as the traditional Chinese curse would have it......

The Day of the Tooth... Today I shall have a 9.30 dentist's appt to work on the tooth that IB has trashed. Am dreading it. Don't start today's call centre shift until 11 am so should be back in time but have warned my supervisor that my mouth might be "offline" due to anathesia. In that case, I'll have to do back office stuff until my normal dulcet RP tones are restored. I don't think anyone up here would have guessed but I talk a mile a minute for real so the prospect of having me silent is an intruiging one......:rotfl:I shall report back on the treatment later on but have decided to put the tooth news into a coloured text so that it can be easily skipped over by those of a delicate disposition.

Ah well, better have my brekkie whilst I can still chew!

(((Hugs to all and I hope sore throats are soon better)))

ceridwen

You put it so much better than I did GreyQueen:T...glad you know what I mean...and can see it too..:D

I hope that if anyone does bring a claim against the Government for this under 35 rule under the Age Discrimination Act that they come back and report to us here at some point in the future as to how its going. I will wish them luck with it in advance - as I estimate there is a reasonable chance they will win it. The Government is doubtless hoping that no-one will have the means to do it - but there ARE sympathetic "legal eagles" out there who are maybe early on in their career and sympathetic and would regard it as good experience/a chance to make a name for themselves to do it. There are also the odd individuals who havent been legally-trained but could/would read up all the info. and might manage to put together the stuff they need to bring a claim themselves.

My suspicion is that the Government plans to start on private sector peeps under 35 and, if they get away with that, then move onto public sector renters under 35 and force this onto them as well.