Transport for London Information

therevelator

Earlier in the new year I had to travel into London for a hospital appointment before 9.30am (I live in zone 4). On returning home I was dismayed to learn that the whole journey of two tube trips and 3 or so buses cost me more than a tenner!!! This seriously irked me! It's quite clear that there is something very wrong at the heart of the whole system - greedy management, greedy unions, and bad governance.

Anyway, I was trying to find out:

i) which companies supply petrol to the fleet of 8000 buses in London.
ii) also, who supplies the electric for the tube system.

Of course, I couldn't find this information on the TFL site...

alanrowell

The maximum you could pay is £10 as that is the cost of a one day Zone 1-4 Peak Travelcard or the cap on Oystercard PAYG.

If you'd paid cash then you'd have paid £10 for the 2 Tube rides and £6.60 for the 3 bus rides.

Rossy.

therevelator wrote: »

Anyway, I was trying to find out:

i) which companies supply petrol to the fleet of 8000 buses in London.
ii) also, who supplies the electric for the tube system.

Of course, I couldn't find this information on the TFL site...

Why would they need to tell you who provides the fuel?

Every bus company is under a tendering contract to London buses. Operating companies may also use a different fuel supplier. Also buses like HGV's use diesel and not petrol

For the tube i have no idea, but i'd say it's run straight off the national grid seeing how much power it would need to substain the system.

I really don't understand your gripe tbh. You stated you used a couple of tubes and 3 buses. £10 seems relatively cheap if you ask me. If you had driven you may of had your own fuel cost, congestion charge and parking to consider.

wealdroam

therevelator wrote: »

Of course, I couldn't find this information on the TFL site...

Of course you couldn't.

Sounds like commercially sensitive information to me.

Oh, and there is more than one bus company in London.
Maybe they use different suppliers.
Maybe they change supplier depending on the price this week.

What are you planning to do with that info?
Do you intend to tell TfL how much they should be charging for their services?
Sounds like a good idea.

Good luck.

Jeff_Bridges_hair

:Tone of the oddest requests i ever did see on here

therevelator

Why would they need to tell you who provides the fuel?

You're kidding, right!!! I'll tell you why: because I want to ******* well know where my money's going!!! For someone who's made 1500 posts, that's a very strange statement... After all, don't we have a right to know how we're being ripped off and by whom...

Yes, no doubt, it is commercially sensitive information.

I'm no fan of Ken Livingstone but one good policy he implemented was his deal with Hugo Chavez for cheap Venezuelan oil, the savings for which would hopefully have been passed on to the average Londoner. However, good old Fat Boris got rid of this........

Jeff_Bridges_hair

ooh your quite an angry pup arent you..
go fetch a stick..

robt_2

London. Two tubes. Three buses. Peak time.

£10? I think you got a bargain.

Jeff_Bridges_hair

robt wrote: »

London. Two tubes. Three buses. Peak time.

£10? I think you got a bargain.

Shh dont tell everyone or they will be all wanting that deal..

Rossy.

therevelator wrote: »

You're kidding, right!!! I'll tell you why: because I want to ******* well know where my money's going!!! For someone who's made 1500 posts, that's a very strange statement... After all, don't we have a right to know how we're being ripped off and by whom...

Yes, no doubt, it is commercially sensitive information.

I'm no fan of Ken Livingstone but one good policy he implemented was his deal with Hugo Chavez for cheap Venezuelan oil, the savings for which would hopefully have been passed on to the average Londoner. However, good old Fat Boris got rid of this........

Wow i was not expecting this

My 1500 posts to your 90 is of no relevance at all is it

How much do you think it costs to run the London transport network?

How many MPG do you think a bus does

I'll tell you from my own experience (i work for London buses).

A double decker using a Volvo engine will usually return something in the region of 5-7MPG. They usually on average take in excess of 300 litres per day to refill. Thats just one bus out of 8,000

Also a tube probably consumes enough electric in one 10 mile journey to power a 3 bed semi for a year

If you don't agree to the cost then don't travel. Find an alternate means of transportation if it means that much to you

Where is being angry going to get you?

Also TFL, London Underground, London Buses, or the operating companies have no legal obligation to disclose where they derive their fuel/power from. Just the same as they wouldn't ask you where you bought your underpants from.

So yes your request was pointless and will not get you anywhere

Move on

cybergibbons

therevelator wrote: »

i) which companies supply petrol to the fleet of 8000 buses in London.
ii) also, who supplies the electric for the tube system.

Why does it matter where the money is going? Do you also want to know:

• Who provides the toilet roll for the toilets that LUL staff use?
• Who washes the buses?

I don't see why it matters. Peak travel is expensive - that's why monthly and longer travelcards exist.