New puppy - when can we take her outside?

suki1964

And the link you posted is actually older then the one I knew off that said the last outbreak was in Bristol where there were 20 cases in the month - last Oct?

And we can also swaech and see that many deaths attributed to parvo are not - but most owners dont fork out for a post mortem

At the end of the day - allowing your dog to walk in areas where dogs/cats/foxes etc could possible have walked and pooed is a huge risk

None of us have advised this - we have advised carrying - where the risk is negligible

devildog

Yes the link is old but highlights the issue that the outbreak was more than just in Bristol. Being into the New Year figures are slower to come through although there are currently outbreaks in London and Wigan.
But to be fair you also stated that op could possibly go to puppy class-how does that work? You carry the puppy in and say look at all these nice puppies then leave again. No, the pups mix/play/socialise and I still maintain that would be the highest risk of infection.
We will just have to agree to disagree

sarabe

devildog wrote: »

Yes the link is old but highlights the issue that the outbreak was more than just in Bristol. Being into the New Year figures are slower to come through although there are currently outbreaks in London and Wigan.
But to be fair you also stated that op could possibly go to puppy class-how does that work? You carry the puppy in and say look at all these nice puppies then leave again. No, the pups mix/play/socialise and I still maintain that would be the highest risk of infection.
We will just have to agree to disagree

I don't want to become embroiled in an argument so I'm posting this and then going out to play with some puppies but I have been running puppy classes and outside socialising sessions for about twenty years now. Puppies attend class once a week and many attend a romp once or twice a week. I have approximately 50 puppies on my books at any one time, often more and 50% of them are pre - jabs. We have had no incidents of pups catching anything. Nothing in life is risk free of course but you just have to weigh it all up.

When I'm not with puppies my time is taken up with behaviour problems mostly dog to dog aggression and this can absolutely be avoided if pups are socialised correctly.

threemuttleys

I too, would get the pup out and about from the word go.

If you bring home a pup at 8 weeks, (after it having had 8 weeks of learning) and then shut it away from its own kind till after jabs. You are shunting its development/learning about how to be a dog.

i so so wish that my three (adult rescues) had been properly socialised at that critical time. The best time for puppies to be learning is 7-14 weeks (sarabe will correct that if need be) OBV, if you know there is an outbreak in your area, then dont. But vaccinated older dogs, and puppies in a safe facility is far safer than letting a pup grow up not properly socialised

suki1964

devildog wrote: »

Yes the link is old but highlights the issue that the outbreak was more than just in Bristol. Being into the New Year figures are slower to come through although there are currently outbreaks in London and Wigan.
But to be fair you also stated that op could possibly go to puppy class-how does that work? You carry the puppy in and say look at all these nice puppies then leave again. No, the pups mix/play/socialise and I still maintain that would be the highest risk of infection.
We will just have to agree to disagree

Can you not comprehend that unless those pups are in contact with a carrier the chances of them catching parvo from a puppy class is the same as you walking it into your house yourself

Puppies are born with immunity. Pups that have been inoculated pass that immunity about as well. Many breeders I know do not inoculate their older dogs because they are getting immunity from the younger breeding females and show dogs. In their experience the risk to health through constant inoculation is higher then the risk of parvo

devildog

LOL I fully comprehend what you are saying but I still maintain there is a higher(albeit still remote) risk to the puppy by taking it to puppy classes. You are correct that a puppy could catch parvo from a puppy class as it could from you simply walking into the house.Risks are everywhere and all we can reasonably do is minimise any such risk.
Puppies do not simply pass the immunity about though and not all are actually immune. If this was the case then vaccinations would not be needed because there would be no 'hot spots' for this virus.
I also agree that not many breeders vaccinate older dogs frequently-this usually being down the the fact that after a year or two the dog has immunity( mine no longer need to be vaccinated for this)

The antibodies from the mother generally circulate in the newborn's blood for a number of weeks. There is a period of time from several days to several weeks in which the maternal antibodies are too low to provide protection against the disease, but too high to allow a vaccine to work. This period is called the window of susceptibility. This is the time when despite being vaccinated, a puppy can still contract the disease.

It appears that the majority of people that offer puppy socialisation classes only do so with vaccinated puppies, the majority of them offer pre vaccination visits in the pups home to give advice on training etc.

Maybe the breeders you know have been fortunate, having bred and shown I know this is not always the case