Moving into new house, can I put a fence up?

Pookielydia

Blacksheep1979 wrote: »

Ah, but does it affect him?

I don't see how it can if he doesn't have to live there, and if he has given permission for re-decorating then that to me says it doesn't affect him as he hasn't stipulated it has to be to his choosing.

Besides if he really does be so petty as to want the original wallpaper putting back when we left, it wouldn't happen as the wallpaper no doubt wouldn't be available, in fact the wallpaper up now is probably years old so isn't available from the outset.

That said if he did want the wallpaper we choose removing then I would accept it and change it to the wallpaper he chooses as long as he pays for it, because I'd have paid for the wallpaper I choose to decorate with and I'm not expecting the landlord to pay for mine so on the same token I wouldn't expect to pay for his, although I would (reluctantly) put the wallpaper he chooses up on his behalf!

Blacksheep1979 wrote: »

Really? Good parents curse and swear all the time do they?

Not in front of they're <--- is that correct? children they don't, but this is a forum and I'm pretty certain my children can't read it what with one being 3 years old and the other only being 22 months, and the fact they can't use a computer.

Blacksheep1979 wrote: »

As a good parent you may want to learn the difference between your/you're they're/there/their etc before your child(ren) get to the reading writing stage.

I didn't get a very good upbringing with regards to schooling so I try the best I can, and I'm going to study English again soon so I actually get a qualification in it so sorry for making a few mistakes!

Blacksheep1979 wrote: »

As to the original question, no in general I wouldn't have an issue. However you sound a bit of a nightmare - get to choose style/colour etc and then if the landlord doesn't want to pay take it with you?

Don't be so melodramatic! If I choose the style/colour that is my right and if I pay for a fence it's also mine to take with me if I choose due to the fact it will be my money that paid for it not the landlords and I will have a receipt proving as such, of course I'd try to negotiate with the landlord with regards to it staying (if he wanted it to stay) and probably make allowances (just like landlords do) for fair wear and tear and let him have it for a reduced price, if not then I'll simply take it with me.

And let's say if it wasn't a fence but you employed decorators to decorate your home would you allow them to choose the style/colour of the wallpaper and you had no say in it whatsoever? Be realistic because I don't believe you would allow it.

P.S) Where I put they're <-- is that correct? I was being serious because if you're going to pull me up on mistakes then you could at least have the courtesy to tell me if I'm right in this instance.

Geenie wrote: »

Goodness, this thread has turned nasty!! :eek:

Getting back to what the OP originally asked, I am a LL, and I wouldn't mind fencing being put up in this case so long as they paid for it, which the OP states they are willing to do. Have had similar things requested in the past not only for children, but keeping pets safe within the confines of a garden. I was always asked first, and told what they were planning to do, as the OP has also stated they will do with their LL. It shows responsibility to me.

As for redecorating, if the LL has said they can, and not stipulated exactly what they can do and putting it back to what it was at the end, then good luck to the OP. I allow tenants to decorate, after all I am wanting long term people to treat the place as a home and look after it.

In my 20 years of letting, people who have asked permission to do things, are the ones who treat the places well. Plus, any LL who doesn't factor in some redecorating or improvements costs into their budgets when letting, but think they can claim it all back from the deposit are not taking it seriously. Any business has expenses to factor in, and letting is no different. Plus you are able to put them against tax, so no excuses.

At last some common sense, so thank you Geenie.

Burridge60

You saw it, you rented it, now you want to change it!

Why did you rent it like that. I would suggest that you ask for permission and don't expect the landlord to pay for it.

Your expletives carefully disguised give you credit beyond bounds.

G_M

Burridge60 wrote: »

You saw it, you rented it, now you want to change it!

Why did you rent it like that. I would suggest that you ask for permission and don't expect the landlord to pay for it.

Your expletives carefully disguised give you credit beyond bounds.

If the landlord doesn't pay for the fence, that means the OP will have to.
Presumably that means it will take even longer for her to pay off her council tax arrears, as if councils aren't hard enough up already!

So pensioners lose their carers due to council cuts while defaulting tax-payers spend cash on fences.......

Blacksheep1979

Pookielydia wrote: »

Don't be so melodramatic! If I choose the style/colour that is my right and if I pay for a fence it's also mine to take with me if I choose due to the fact it will be my money that paid for it not the landlords and I will have a receipt proving as such, of course I'd try to negotiate with the landlord with regards to it staying (if he wanted it to stay) and probably make allowances (just like landlords do) for fair wear and tear and let him have it for a reduced price, if not then I'll simply take it with me.

Yes, you can take it with you if you leave the property exactly as it was. I've got a feeling that removing posts, any concrete and filling in holes is probably going to cost a chunk of money. Seems like you'd be cutting of your nose to spite your face.

Pookielydia wrote: »

And let's say if it wasn't a fence but you employed decorators to decorate your home would you allow them to choose the style/colour of the wallpaper and you had no say in it whatsoever? Be realistic because I don't believe you would allow it.

In that case you're employing decorators to do a job you choose. The landlord isn't employing you in any way at all, let alone employing you to do property improvement. I'm fairly sure that whoever, if you choose to go down this route, you get to put up a fence will put up whatever you want.

If you decided to hire painters to paint every room in red and green stripes they would do it, I wouldn't expect the landlord to be overly happy though...

Pookielydia wrote: »

P.S) Where I put they're <-- is that correct? I was being serious because if you're going to pull me up on mistakes then you could at least have the courtesy to tell me if I'm right in this instance.

they're is a contraction (they are), should be their - have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contraction_%28grammar%29

Pookielydia

G_M wrote: »

If the landlord doesn't pay for the fence, that means the OP will have to.
Presumably that means it will take even longer for her to pay off her council tax arrears, as if councils aren't hard enough up already!

So pensioners lose their carers due to council cuts while defaulting tax-payers spend cash on fences.......

Oh yes the councils are so hard up that it's taken them almost 5 years to decide to send me a letter for the outstanding amounts! Clearly not that hard up are they..

And pensioners aren't losing their carers due to council cuts at all, they are no doubt losing them because they don't need them as much! And remember they aren't losing them entirely it's only the hours of the carers being cut, nothing you or I can do about it and it has absolutely nothing to do with me having council tax arrears.

So now you can get off your high horse, no doubt you are in debt yourself! And no doubt you have also owed the council money in the past or possibly even now so I would be careful how you word things because I seriously doubt you've never been in debt to your local council.

And for the record if it's taken the council almost 5 years to suddenly decide to chase me for my council tax arrears then whose fault is that mine or the councils, obvious isn't it the councils because if it had been that important to them and IF they are as skint as you make out they would have chased me sooner and not paid the fat cat council bosses massive annual bonuses!! Which for your information could have paid for these carers you mentioned.

Therefore if it takes me 5 years to pay off the arrears then so be it because the council knew where I was, they'd sent me more recent bills than what's owed that have been paid and at any point in the last 5 years they could have asked me to repay the arrears, they didn't! NOT MY PROBLEM.. They clearly aren't as skint as you make out.

And frankly (with respect) my council tax arrears are nothing to do with you..

Blacksheep1979 wrote: »

In that case you're employing decorators to do a job you choose. The landlord isn't employing you in any way at all, let alone employing you to do property improvement. I'm fairly sure that whoever, if you choose to go down this route, you get to put up a fence will put up whatever you want.

Yes a job I choose, so if I choose the wallpaper then hire a decorator to put it up for me that's all I'm hiring them for, I've personally not come across a decorator that has free reign over a decorating job.

Also no the landlord isn't employing me in any way at all, nor am I emplying him, and if I choose to do some property improvement and he agrees then that's fair enough, if he doesn't then I simply won't put a fence up but I most definitely will not put up a fence to his choosing and specification if I'm paying for it as I'd rather not have a fence at all if that's the case, if we had 50/50 input then I probably would go along with it.

Thanks for the link to the website you gave by the way.

Also to all who insist on making this thread a flame war, please refrain from posting on this topic now as you've attempted to make your voices heard and you'll just be wasting your time now as I've read what I needed to read and that's that.

Geenie

Pookielydia wrote: »

I don't see how it can if he doesn't have to live there, and if he has given permission for re-decorating then that to me says it doesn't affect him as he hasn't stipulated it has to be to his choosing.

Besides if he really does be so petty as to want the original wallpaper putting back when we left, it wouldn't happen as the wallpaper no doubt wouldn't be available, in fact the wallpaper up now is probably years old so isn't available from the outset.

That said if he did want the wallpaper we choose removing then I would accept it and change it to the wallpaper he chooses as long as he pays for it, because I'd have paid for the wallpaper I choose to decorate with and I'm not expecting the landlord to pay for mine so on the same token I wouldn't expect to pay for his, although I would (reluctantly) put the wallpaper he chooses up on his behalf!



Not in front of they're <--- is that correct? children they don't, but this is a forum and I'm pretty certain my children can't read it what with one being 3 years old and the other only being 22 months, and the fact they can't use a computer.



I didn't get a very good upbringing with regards to schooling so I try the best I can, and I'm going to study English again soon so I actually get a qualification in it so sorry for making a few mistakes!



Don't be so melodramatic! If I choose the style/colour that is my right and if I pay for a fence it's also mine to take with me if I choose due to the fact it will be my money that paid for it not the landlords and I will have a receipt proving as such, of course I'd try to negotiate with the landlord with regards to it staying (if he wanted it to stay) and probably make allowances (just like landlords do) for fair wear and tear and let him have it for a reduced price, if not then I'll simply take it with me.

And let's say if it wasn't a fence but you employed decorators to decorate your home would you allow them to choose the style/colour of the wallpaper and you had no say in it whatsoever? Be realistic because I don't believe you would allow it.

P.S) Where I put they're <-- is that correct? I was being serious because if you're going to pull me up on mistakes then you could at least have the courtesy to tell me if I'm right in this instance.



At last some common sense, so thank you Geenie.

You can thank me OP, but having just seen some of your other posts on threads I have just viewed, I don't want it, and seriously think you need to watch your language. It is quite disgraceful! I was all for you when initially replying, and thought you were getting a hard time, but now I have changed my mind.

If you want a serious reply to questions and advice from people willing to offer it for free on here, cut out the foul language and attitude, as no amount of inserting * into a word detracts from the disgusting language you are using.

Pookielydia

Then consider my thanks rescinded, and I don't need to watch anything so kindly keep your comments to yourself..

And if you no longer think I'm getting a hard time then you stick with the majority of people who know I'm right but just won't admit it, that's whats wrong with the world these days people like you and most other people don't open their mouth and say what they think, well I do and always will and if people don't like it that's their problem not mine.

And I think you'll find inserting * into a word which would otherwise offend does turn a foul word into a muted form of said word, so kindly do some research before you comment again.

john_white

Pookielydia wrote: »

Then consider my thanks rescinded, and I don't need to watch anything so kindly keep your comments to yourself..

And if you no longer think I'm getting a hard time then you stick with the majority of people who know I'm right but just won't admit it, that's whats wrong with the world these days people like you and most other people don't open their mouth and say what they think, well I do and always will and if people don't like it that's their problem not mine.

And I think you'll find inserting * into a word which would otherwise offend does turn a foul word into a muted form of said word, so kindly do some research before you comment again.

Putting an asterix makes f**k all difference. How do i know, well I took a consensus of random people who's thought's and opinions have no bearing on my life or situation and started whinning a lot about inane sh*te.

Tiddlywinks

Pookielydia wrote: »

Then consider my thanks rescinded, and I don't need to watch anything so kindly keep your comments to yourself..

And if you no longer think I'm getting a hard time then you stick with the majority of people who know I'm right but just won't admit it, that's whats wrong with the world these days people like you and most other people don't open their mouth and say what they think, well I do and always will and if people don't like it that's their problem not mine.

And I think you'll find inserting * into a word which would otherwise offend does turn a foul word into a muted form of said word, so kindly do some research before you comment again.

You really come across as an unpleasant and misguided individual - could you try some time to appreciate others' perspectives rather than always insisting that you are right?

If you didn't want the views of others you shouldn't have asked for them!

Burridge60

And MPs go to jail for less and Sky Sports presenters lose their jobs!