Moving into new house, can I put a fence up?

Gwhiz

I have come to the conclusion that Pookie is either a troublemaker or a troll. Can't make my mind up yet.

N79

Pookielydia - I hope you don't mind me asking this but are you by any chance from outside of the UK (or have you been living outside the UK)? I ask because your view on what Ts can and can not do lines up rather well with the approach taken in a number of European countries. However, English law is a very difficult kettle of fish, as G_M has explained.

Yes - a court will order a T to reinstate old wallpaper at the end of a tenancy etc - the bottom line is that you must return the property exactly as it was when the tenancy started (fair wear and tear excepted) and the courts will make you pay to achieve this, including removing "upgrades" that you have added or making you reinstate old wall paper. You will need written permission from your LL to change anything without incurring this liability.

CloudCuckooLand

Gwhiz wrote: »

I have come to the conclusion that Pookie is either a troublemaker or a troll. Can't make my mind up yet.

Not sure, could just be very stressed...

Pookielydia wrote: »

Well it wouldn't would it as you can't even say boo to a neighbour these days without them getting on their high horse!

Which is why I'm moving because both sets of neighbours we live next door to are in a word c*nts! Dogs barking LOUDLY at half 11 at night on one side, banging and being tw*ts on the other side, doors slammed so loud it's deafening, when they chop veg in their kitchen we can hear it as if they're chopping the veg in our kitchen! Every tiny little step they make you can hear, every stupid little noise they make when f*cking about in the living room, light switches on and off as if they live in the same house as us, hoovering upstairs sounds like a jet plane! Technically not their fault because of the p*ss poor SUPER thin walls but we've told them how thin the walls are in these houses but they just don't give a f*ck!

And to top it off the tw*t next door I overheard asking his other half if she wanted to s*ck on his you know what.... Dirty b*stard!

Thank goodness the walls in the semi-detached property we are moving to has solid walls!

I'll tell you this though I really hope their new neighbours give them some sh*t because it will be nothing less than they deserve..

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Poor thing. Feel sad for her...not. Expect a rant in reply between 1am and 5am...

G_M

Pookielydia wrote: »

Then I wouldn't rent from you as it's up to me what sort of fence I'd want up in my garden..... with respect I'd quite simply say NO.
which would save me the trouble of saying no to you. And save both of us a whole heap of trouble I suspect.

Also based on the fact if we chose to re-decorate (with permission from the landlord, which has already been given)
Correct. Since you have permission (get it in writing!) you can do as you wish

Also you say we would have to agree to a wallpaper/colour which would have to be acceptable to the landlord, I'm telling you (again with respect) NO CHANCE! .

You asked "I'm just asking a simple question such as if a tenant of yours wanted to put a fence up would you allow it? " so I responded re decorating in the same way: Personally I would require ageement on what wallpaper/colour scheme was used or re-instatement. I don't want to be left with a house painted black or purple if you leave in 6 months time!
However, if your landlord has given you a blanket permission to decorate as you wish, that is his prerogative. Given that he is so obliging, I refer back to my original post - asking what posters (like me) here would do is irrelevant. Ask you landlord!

mlz1413

I once went to look at a house for sale that the T's had re-decorated ........ in green, white & orange stripes - nice. Apparently that was their countries flag.

So if you want your deposit back it is important you either get it in writing that you can redecorate (no restrications) or your LL agrees with the redecoration.

As for a fence, I'd assume most family homes would have some type of fencing from being built. As this one doesn't have you will need to ask the LL if you can errect fencing and then the finer details of if you have restricitions or not. But again get the agreement in writing!

ETA: crossed with G-M!

ETA: forgot a point
Pookie Are you only signing for 6 months? If I were going to spend money on decorating and fencing I'd want a longer contract with get out clauses on my side only.

G_M

mlz1413 wrote: »

Pookie Are you only signing for 6 months? If I were going to spend money on decorating and fencing I'd want a longer contract with get out clauses on my side only.

As a point of law, this would be deemed an unfair term so would be unenforcible. A break clause needs to be operable by either party to the contract.

Tiddlywinks

Firstly, ask the landlord as only he will be able to approve the alterations. Why did you not ask about this BEFORE deciding to rent this property?

Good quality and safe fencing does not come cheap and should last for years which is why, if I were your LL, I would want to approve the design, location and installation before allowing the work to be undertaken.

The LL may also not really want to contribute to the work as the property has been perfectly rentable in its present condition. There is also a risk that the work will be carried out badly and then the LL would be left with the problem. A bad job could make the property look like the Clampetts have moved in.

As to decorating, as long as you have permission then the choice should be yours but if you choose anything other than neutral colours then you should be prepared to change it before moving out.

You also come across as a bit aggressive - I'd suggest toning it down a bit when dealing with the requests.

CloudCuckooLand

Geenie

Goodness, this thread has turned nasty!! :eek:

Getting back to what the OP originally asked, I am a LL, and I wouldn't mind fencing being put up in this case so long as they paid for it, which the OP states they are willing to do. Have had similar things requested in the past not only for children, but keeping pets safe within the confines of a garden. I was always asked first, and told what they were planning to do, as the OP has also stated they will do with their LL. It shows responsibility to me.

As for redecorating, if the LL has said they can, and not stipulated exactly what they can do and putting it back to what it was at the end, then good luck to the OP. I allow tenants to decorate, after all I am wanting long term people to treat the place as a home and look after it.

In my 20 years of letting, people who have asked permission to do things, are the ones who treat the places well. Plus, any LL who doesn't factor in some redecorating or improvements costs into their budgets when letting, but think they can claim it all back from the deposit are not taking it seriously. Any business has expenses to factor in, and letting is no different. Plus you are able to put them against tax, so no excuses.

Blacksheep1979

Pookielydia wrote: »

and do believe if it doesn't effect the landlord

Ah, but does it affect him?

Pookielydia wrote: »

None of my kids would want to run into the road because I am a bloody good parent so why don't you run along and do just that instead!

Really? Good parents curse and swear all the time do they?

Pookielydia wrote: »

your probably a sh*t neighbour yourself which is why you come across as not giving a f*ck!!

As a good parent you may want to learn the difference between your/you're they're/there/their etc before your child(ren) get to the reading writing stage.

As to the original question, no in general I wouldn't have an issue. However you sound a bit of a nightmare - get to choose style/colour etc and then if the landlord doesn't want to pay take it with you?