Shameless labour

ILW

I heard that when the government sent out the forms to people on disabilty benefits regarding getting tested for criteria, apprx 30% of current claiments decided the did not have a disability anymore. Weed out the large number of those that are not truly disabled and there will be more for those that truly deserve help.

Flyboy152

nickmason wrote: »

Communities do this work a whole lot better and more efficiently than the state does. If they're given half the chance.

Well, give them the job, but pay them a decent living wage to do it. It can't be that difficult a concept to comprehend for this government. Or is the prospect of cheap labour they are more interested in?

ILW

Flyboy152 wrote: »

Well, give them the job, but pay them a decent living wage to do it. It can't be that difficult a concept to comprehend for this government. Or is the prospect of cheap labour they are more interested in?

Where does the money come from?

nickmason

Rochdale_Pioneers wrote: »

Or - as millions of disabled, poor, jobless and vulnerable people are about to find out - they don't. We'd be more convinced about the big society idea if it didn't go hand in hand with the immediate dismantling of support services for people.

Should Cameron have come straight and told that mother of a disabled daughter in need of respite care (the one he promised to help then did the opposite) that under the big society her neighbours and family should be doing it?

I think you're conflating two things.

One is the Big Society - a philosophical approach as important or derided, depending on your p-o-view, as The Third Way was for Blair. No, obviously, the Big Society doesn't mean that expert care skills should be replaced by amateur neighbours. It is a way of doing more for less - and sadly, less is what we've got, because we had too much before.

So the other is the deficit, and the fact that the government needed to make cuts. There are some ideological areas of debate (primarily Trident) but broadly speaking most of the cuts are as unpalatable for the current government as they are for the opposition, and indeed for most of the population. Obviously it doesn't help to have Balls et al maintaining that it's fine to keep spending - but then they're in opposition and they're hardly going to support the government. (Although, and I wonder whether it's maturity or naivety, in my part of Dorset when a previous LibDem administration almost bankrupted the council*, the LD group, now in opposition, have supported the tough regime that we have had to go through to rectify the situation, even voting for our budget).

In an ideal world, the Big Society idea would have flourished without voluntary work being squeezed out by gov contacts and ever increasing bureaucracy - but in the real world, it probably takes that adversity to make it happen.

* oh, okay, you can't. But they damned near succeeded all the same.

abaxas

ILW wrote: »

I heard that when the government sent out the forms to people on disabilty benefits regarding getting tested for criteria, apprx 30% of current claiments decided the did not have a disability anymore. Weed out the large number of those that are not truly disabled and there will be more for those that truly deserve help.

What a great idea, actually help those who need help.

But with a caveat, dont help anybody who ever tries to use the word 'rights'.

If they mention 'rights' they get nowt.

Flyboy152

ILW wrote: »

I heard that when the government sent out the forms to people on disabilty benefits regarding getting tested for criteria, apprx 30% of current claiments decided the did not have a disability anymore. Weed out the large number of those that are not truly disabled and there will be more for those that truly deserve help.

Where did you hear that then? Was it from an official at the DWP?

Flyboy152

ILW wrote: »

Where does the money come from?

The same place yours does, I suppose.

Flyboy152

abaxas wrote: »

What a great idea, actually help those who need help.

But with a caveat, dont help anybody who ever tries to use the word 'rights'.

If they mention 'rights' they get nowt.

I think I'm beginning to agree with StevieJ's assessment of your character.

ILW

Flyboy152 wrote: »

The same place yours does, I suppose.

Mine comes from my customers.

abaxas

Flyboy152 wrote: »

I think I'm beginning to agree with StevieJ's assessment of your character.

Typical letftie response.

If in doubt insult as you beleive you are in some kind of 'intelligentsia'.

Socialism is fine, but it must come with responsibility.